What is "dirty rushing"?

[AOX81]

I think that it is kind of funny that girls will come to our event and talk about how they know that another sorority is going to give them a bid and they pretty much ignore us. At that point we pretty much drop them from our list. With a couple of girls off of our list we can work on the ones that we really want. Then on pref night they get all upset because they 1) didn't get a pref card from the sorority who they "knew" were going to give them a bid or 2) they are mad because they think that we screwed them by not giving them a pref card.

My advise to rushee's, DON'T talk about other sororities at rush events. Focus on the sorority that you are there to see.

[KSig RC]

our IFSC rules concerning dirty rush:
-any time more than 4 members of an org are together during rush, it's an unofficial event, and if there are ANY unaffiliated freshman, sophomore, or junior males around, no alcohol can be present and you can't speak for any other organizations
-100% dry rush, even if events are held at clubs no members (even 21 or older) can drink
-2 different-org rho chi's at every event
-speak only for own org and greek system in general - ie "we're the largest on campus" and not "everyone else is small"

pretty much, the rho chi's and rushees are the regulatory control - we don't have very many problems with dirty rush, because the rules are pretty cut and dried.

[prdlocal]

Actually the whole process of giving bids varies from school to school. I don't really think you can generalize. At my school, for instance, in the fall when we have "formal rush" We do have 2 lists, but they ARE ranked. And those who match the bids are Rho Chi's, but I don't know if any of you are familiar with Rho Chi's. Anybody???

[IowaHawkeye]

at iowa, girls are seperated into rush groups with each group given a rho chi that deaffiliates and guides the girls in her rush group to each chapter on campus and basically answers any questions with out being biased. bids are matched by panhel here.

[AOX81]

Girls that go through rush at my school are also divided into groups and given a Rho Chi who is disaffiliated with her sorority. When it comes to giving out bids we give panhel our A and B list and an alumni from each sorority HAS to do the bidmatching.

[newbie]

Reading through this makes me wonder! (Thanks OTW for bringing this up in another thread!!)

If XYZ says that they will give you a bid, how are you supposed to act if you know you are being dirty-rushed?

Also, once they say that, and let's say you REALLY like XYZ, and put them as #1, but also list other choices, will you generally still get a bid to a house (maybe XYZ, maybe another house)?

Sorry for so many questions guys, just wondering for future reference! Thanks!!

[PenguinTrax]

Originally posted by newbie:
If XYZ says that they will give you a bid, how are you supposed to act if you know you are being dirty-rushed?

I would look at them all innocent and say "I thought you couldn't guarantee a bid? Isnt' that against Panhellenic rules? I guess I'd better check with my Rho Chi to be sure." That will shut them up in a hurry.<grin>

Also, once they say that, and let's say you REALLY like XYZ, and put them as #1, but also list other choices, will you generally still get a bid to a house (maybe XYZ, maybe another house)?

You should get a bid to one of you 3 preferenced chapters. You can find out more about the bid-matching process by doing a search of these boards (search on my name, if you wish). I've explained the bid-matching process in detail in several posts.

Barbara
Rush Forum Moderator



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[newbie]

Thanks PnguinTrax!!

Originally posted by PnguinTrax:
I would look at them all innocent and say "I thought you couldn't guarantee a bid? Isnt' that against Panhellenic rules? I guess I'd better check with my Rho Chi to be sure." That will shut them up in a hurry.<grin>

I have a question though...wouldn't that be interepreted as being a goody-goody? And let's say you REALLY liked them...would they still give you a bid? If they "promise" you a bid, are they actually thinking of giving you a bid, or just teasing? I'm kinda confused about that. Thanks a lot PnguinTrax!!

[HeidiHo]

newbie- about your last question.
33girl explain it this way earlier in this thread- "Why would a group do this? The only reason I can think of is to try to cut their losses. They may not be sure if they want her, but they don't want her to go elsewhere in case they need her to fill quota/total. 75% of the time they don't need her and she gets dumped on her head."
hope that helps
Heidi

[newbie]

OUCH. Thanks Heidi!! Wouldn't it still be considered goody-goody, though, to point it out to them? So ssorry for the bunch of questions . I really hope that all the potentials on GC, and I, in the future, won't be dirty rushed . That sucks that it even goes on!!

[PenguinTrax]

Newbie,

You don't have to act goody-goody, but you should be aware enough to know that they are being dishonest. A person cannot, on behalf of the chapter, tell you that you will get a bid. After all, the entire chapter votes on potential members and they do so anonymously. A member can, for example, tell you that she thinks you'd make a great member, but a single member cannot speak on behalf of the chapter and tell you that you will get a bid.

It is against NPC rules to promise a bid to a member. You can report this infraction to the Greek Life Office after the party and have the situation dealt with according to NPC policy.

There are chapters out there that want to keep as many girls coming back to as many parties as possible. To that end, they will say and do things that are not right. If a chapter promises you a bid, don't believe them. Don't call them a liar, obviously, but take the statement with a grain of salt and a healthy dose of reality. Like I said earlier, your opportunity to receive a bid is based on the entire chapter's vote, not just one person's opinion. In my experience, girls that are promised bids and, as a result, intentionally single preference (suicide bid), are usually left standing on the sidelines come Bid Day.

Go in with your eyes open, go with your gut feeling and preference a group that really represents who you are and can offer you opportunities for growth. I've said this many times - look for the group that is already like you, not the group you want to be like.

Good Luck!
B.

[TxGirl]

Barbara is a wise women. Some chapters will promise bids prior to pref night to get high returns. Don't fall into this trap. Keep your mind open to all possibilities.

Most importantly, NEVER even think about "suiciding" a chapter (even if they tell you to). I work with several different chapters and have consistantly seen a certain GLO have an unusually high number of "suicides" during bid match at all of them. Only about 25% of them get into the chapter. The others don't get in at all. It is the low percentile of women who get a bid from "suiciding" - if you do this you will most likely be getting a phone call on bid day saying you don't have a bid.

[newbie]

Thank you for the info TxGirl and Barbara!!! You guys are awesome...thanks again for the advice!!

Edited to ask, what do you say to them if they DO promise you a bid? Also, is it true that you shouldn't mention the dirty rushing at all before Rush has ended, since other sororities will find out and then they will think that you're only going to list XYZ on your list?

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[33girl]

Originally posted by newbie:
Edited to ask, what do you say to them if they DO promise you a bid? Also, is it true that you shouldn't mention the dirty rushing at all before Rush has ended, since other sororities will find out and then they will think that you're only going to list XYZ on your list?

[This message has been edited by newbie (edited June 19, 2001).]

Something along the lines of "I'll remember that on Bid Day." Which you will...you'll remember they're the jerks who tried to dirty rush you.

As far as whether to mention it while rush is still going on, that really depends on what the campus climate is. But I personally would tell the Greek Life advisor instead of a Rho Chi. If your Rho Chi happens to be a sister of a chapter that thinks dirty rushing is OK to do, I doubt she would pass it on. Hate to sound cynical, but that's the safest bet.

[newbie]

Thanks 33girl!! So I should sweetly say, "Thanks, I will remember it on Bid Day." Also, if I told the Greek Life advisor, would they mention it to other sororities?