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Old 08-29-2002, 03:39 PM
MoxieGrrl MoxieGrrl is offline
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I think that the way we try to go about resolving the issue of double standards is odd. Instead of trying to let them phase out on their own through utilizing education, we counteract them.

Since we were talking about black/white jokes... there came a point in history where it just wasn't acceptable for white commedians to tell black jokes that bordered on cruel. However, there came more and more black commedians that took that same racial angle. Is that supposed to even it up? What's the point?

(Side note: And from a Polish perspective: Why is it considered un- "PC" and frowned upon to make jokes about someone of a different color, but to pick on a person because of their heritage (Polish, Italian, Irish) is ok?)

Also, we are counteracting gender stereotypes and I feel that is extremely unhealthy. The feminist movement, sexual harrassment cases, blah blah blah.... made it unacceptable for a man to brag to his friends about his "piece of ass" last night. That man is looked at as an immature, misogynist pig. But what about the "modern" woman who talks about a man in the same way? (Either way you look at it, it's gross behavior.) Yet, these women are considered ....more specific terms are escaping me now....a Cosmo woman and applauded.

Blah...... I don't know if this made any sense. I don't care. Work is boring. And besides, the MLB strike is taking away my fiancee's job.
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Old 08-29-2002, 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bamboozled


AchtungBaby, thank you for your honesty. I really don't want to turn librasoul's thread into another version of the "40 acres and a mule" thread, so I urge you to follow this link http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...450#post249450 and read the first post on the page (by me) that offers a reparations analogy. After reading it, I'd like to know if you stand by your opinion. Maybe you should PM me instead of posting it here.
I read it, and it's a good analogy for getting people to understand the situation. But I still stand by my opinion. You could compensate the woman for her work, but what about emotional distress and all the other things that she had to put up with? How do you put a price on that? Even if someone tried, we could never get anyone to settle on it. Then there's the fact that in your analogy, the woman herself would be compensated for her own work, whereas in the actual situation, none of the people directly involved are alive today. If we were going to pay reparations, we're about 100 years too late. And that's really sad.

But I really respect you [Bamboozled] for not yelling at me like I was afraid people would. I was just trying to be honest, and I really don't want to offend anyone. Where I'm from, people still ride around with Confederate flags on their trucks and my family has had some KKK members, so I'm probably in the minority in what I think even though I might sound a little on the racist side to the rest of the world.
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Old 08-29-2002, 05:31 PM
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Achtung, do not be afraid that people will yell at you, lol. I think you have a very valid point.

Moxie, that is very true. Partly it is because in the past, there has been a great disparity between the rights of men and women and whites and non-whites. To some extent, laughter makes it seem a little less overbearing, if that makes any sense. It kinda takes the weight off. I will try to word that better and come back.
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Old 08-29-2002, 05:49 PM
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Here's a GOOD example! Grades take a back seat in California???

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1119/p1s3-ussc.html
I just heard this on FOX this month. I had NO IDEA!

USA > Society & Culture
from the November 19, 2001 edition

New scale to weigh college applicants

In California, grades still count, but so do hardship and talents.

By Mark Sappenfield | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

BERKELEY, CALIF. - Six years ago, the University of California won nationwide praise and censure when it outlawed affirmative action in admissions decisions. Last week, it took another bold step.
Beginning this autumn, University of California campuses will for the first time be able to look beyond test scores and grade-point averages when evaluating every applicant. Other factors - from overcoming hardship to musical talent - will now always be given consideration.

To some, the rules seem like a thinly veiled attempt to skirt the affirmative-action ban. But many experts say this is simply the latest gambit to ensure fairness in a rapidly changing collegiate world. As record numbers of students apply to college, more are being rejected, forcing admissions officers into ever-more-creative ways to gauge would-be freshmen - and subjecting the process to unprecedented scrutiny.

"Over the past decade, the classical test-score, GPA-driven admissions have begun to be reexamined for their efficacy," says Barmak Nassirian of the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers. "It's a huge deal.... To move away from a mechanical admissions policy to a more complex and subtle policy is going to have a tremendous impact."

The significance of last week's move lies primarily in the fact that, for nearly half a century, California has been a trendsetter on issues of education. From its adoption of the Stanford Achievement Test as a universal yardstick to its curtailing of bilingual education, California has consistently been at the vanguard of education reform.

"Wherever public policy is going, California gets there first," says Terry Hartle of the American Council on Education in Washington.

Making a private model public

In a broad sense, California's new "comprehensive review" is nothing new. Private colleges have long looked at applicants' full dossier of academic achievements, extracurricular activities, and life experiences. But state colleges - dealing with a far greater volume of students - have seldom had that luxury. The trend is growing, though. Texas has incorporated nonacademic criteria for several years for half its students. The other half gain admittance automatically by finishing in the top 10 percent at their high schools.

To be sure, the question of how to admit the best freshman class is being looked at closely nationwide. For decades, the University of California - like other public institutions - has held that a certain percentage of students had to be chosen on academic merit alone, and only the remaining students could be chosen by looking at other factors as well.

Until last week, the two groups were set at 50 percent each. Now, admissions officers can take all aspects into account for every applicant. It's a more costly and time-consuming method, but administrators say the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

"The system we had been using put artificial restrictions on campuses looking for the most-qualified applicants," says Brad Hayward, a spokesman for the UC system.

Not everyone agrees, though. Some critics have charged that these standards are fuzzier and could allow admissions officers to admit students based on race. Moreover, others say, choosing a class based on factors other than academics can lead to a lower-quality student body.

For their part, Texas officials say this has not been the case. Often, students chosen by "comprehensive review" have outperformed their academically admitted colleagues. "If you're in admissions, you need more information, not less," says Bruce Walker, admissions director at the University of Texas in Austin. "It's important to put students' achievements in some sort of context."

Time-consuming process

Under the old guidelines, University of California's Berkeley campus tried to do that as much as possible - sometimes looking at applications half a dozen times for students not chosen solely by academics. Now that all campuses can choose all their students in this way, Berkeley has become something of a model.

At Berkeley, more than 60 readers - both teachers and hired professionals - get 60 to 70 hours of training in how to evaluate applications, and students are sometimes asked to send more information.

Campus officials say they haven't seen a radical change in the student body since this policy began three years ago, nor do they expect a revolution now. But the policies have had a subtle effect. "We have a more engaged group, because we're looking at a broader definition of merit," says Calvin Moore, a math professor.
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Old 08-29-2002, 06:24 PM
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Hell in my Daddys day, they would eat the damn Mule if nothing else to eat!

I love the Acedamia of this country trying to change the positions of the mix of ethnic qualities of the schoold!


Just who in the heall are the Acedanians to tell us as individuals that Black and white is different and HAVE TO MIX?

Damn, are we totally stupid to not realize that people from different back grounds are not the same!

Do I hate OTW, LSoul, ZAce, Nina, as We are not the same?

NOT!

I have to find out about a person before I can dislike or disrespect them!

If it is up to the Stupidos and Idiotios then I should Hate everyone!

Am I racist hell yes I am against anyone who trys to harm me or my Freinds!

Do I know what Color or religion they are? Not unless they tell me!

My PC is in Black and White and That is the Truth!

Why do people come into my Store? I had a Black Dude Who I have not seen in years come in and tell me why he has not been in to see me!

Damn his health sucked! That is what I was most worried about not his color!

I work hard to try to get a tan do you? I will die soon from skin cancer trying to get the same tan of of a few of my freinds!

Is this shit your biggest Problem in life that OTW, N, LSoul, HKiss etal are different collor?

What a sad state of affairs we are in!

I know I am not feeling well now hope it is indigestion!

Hell. I cannot Die now, I have to much shit to do! Only the Good Die Young, and I aint that good!

Trust me, I will be hear for yall! Ah and be with Yall!

I am going to live to be a 118!
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Old 08-30-2002, 04:59 AM
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If everyone is just take it slower and be polite to each other, it'll be all good. Seriously, politeness goes along way.
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