Who's Out? Interesting site about gay members of greek orgs - Page 2

zchi2 · #16 08-15-2002, 02:59 PM

If your chapter consist of more than 20 members, active and alumna, I bet you anything that there is at least one gay people in the group.
Just because they aren't out doesn't mean they don't exist. A lot of people are in the deep, deep in the closet. They aren't always obvious. Please don't be fooled.

sororitygirl2 · #17 08-15-2002, 03:01 PM

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I don't know about every chapter of every fraternity and sorority.... that's a bit of an exageration.

I agree, kddani, probably not EVERY chapter of EVERY org. has a gay or lesbian member.

I know people often say that 1 in every ten people is gay or lesbian, but most recent studies prove that it is actually closer to 3 or 4 percent of the population instead of ten percent.

Senusret I · #18 08-15-2002, 03:25 PM

The page basically exists so that people won't be afraid to be themselves. Sometimes, you really feel alone if you are a sexual minority joining a GLO. The site gives people the chance to see that they are not alone, and that the people who volunteer their names and emails are not afraid to step forward and help others in their GLO's.

The only way to conquer homophobia is to never cower before it. I applaud the people listed on the website.

zchi2 · #19 08-15-2002, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by sororitygirl2

I agree, kddani, probably not EVERY chapter of EVERY org. has a gay or lesbian member.

I know people often say that 1 in every ten people is gay or lesbian, but most recent studies prove that it is actually closer to 3 or 4 percent of the population instead of ten percent.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SHOW ME THAT REPORT. Why do people not believe that gays or lesbian are not apart of their organization or chapter

? That really makes me upset to think that just because someone doesn't come out and say "I'm gay", means that they are automatically straight. Never assume anything. GIVE ME A BREAK. I have meet a lot of member in greek organizations that are so deep in closet and are scared to come out because they don't want the sisters or brothers to treat them different or to ruin their sorority/fraternity's reputation. PEOPLE GET REAL!! They exist more than you think.

kddani · #20 08-15-2002, 03:38 PM

on the same token zchi2, can we see a report of your claims?

You can't tell someone that their viewpoint is inaccurate if you haven't given proof of your own.

FuzzieAlum · #21 08-15-2002, 04:10 PM

I'm sure there are gay people in many GLOs, but that doesn't mean there is one in EVERY chapter of EVERY GLO. If a chapter is down to four girls (and it happens), whether ten percent or three percent of the population is gay, it still means that the chapter is likely to be only straight women at that point, statistically speaking.

Add to that the fact that many "out" gay people either assume Greek life is not for them - and that some GLOs would not take an openly gay member - it is likely that there are at least one or two chapters in this nation without a gay member.

Of course, even the most rampantly anti-gay chapter can have a closeted member, and I've known several quite open bi or homosexual Greeks.

I'm not entirely sure what the point of this site is - is it to convince homophobic Greeks to accept gay members? Is it to encourage gays to go Greek? Is it to give gay Greeks a supportive environment? This doesn't mean I think it's a wrong or bad site - I just don't understand the appeal. Most of the gay Greeks I've known were proud to be gay, and proud to be Greek, but they weren't making a big deal out of being a gay Greek.

MysticCat · #22 08-15-2002, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by zchi2 (in part)
If your chapter consist of more than 20 members, active and alumna, I bet you anything that there is at least one gay people in the group.

zchi2, even if one accepts the premise that one out of every ten persons is gay or lesbian, that number can only be applied to the population as a whole or to a large, random cross-section of the population, not to a very, very small sub-group of only twenty or thirty people, and certainly not to a very small group that is self-selected. No doubt there are more gay or lesbian Greeks than many of us realize, but I think there is also no doubt that there are many chaoters with no gay members, if for no other reason than that the chapter culture discourages gays or lesbians from joining.

My 2 cents.

zchi2 · #23 08-15-2002, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
on the same token zchi2, can we see a report of your claims?

You can't tell someone that their viewpoint is inaccurate if you haven't given proof of your own.

the problem I have is that you said that there are reports saying it's not 10 percent but 3 to 4. I never said there were studies saying that there were gay people at every chapter (even though i believe that). I seriously would like to read the study that you talking about that states this finding. And just to make my self clear I didn't mean there is currently gay people at every chapter. I talking about the throughout the history of a chapter. When you combine active and alumna, there was at least one person that actively participated in homosexual activity.

FuzzieAlum · #24 08-15-2002, 04:49 PM

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...sault/context/

http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/youth/tremblay/app-a.html

kddani · #25 08-15-2002, 04:51 PM

I didn't cite any study, so get your people straight.

All I did was ask for some evidence to substantiate your claims. You make a claim, then dog someone else's claim. You don't have any evidence either. So how does that make your viewpoint better?

I'm sure that if you looked at EVERY member EVER initiated at chapters (some of which are 100 or more years old) you could find at least one of anything that you're looking for. The way you wrote it certainly made it come across to all of us that you were saying there is currently at least one gay in every chapter everywhere.

Also someone participating in a homosexual activity doesn't make them gay. Especially in this day and age, kids experiment. Participating in it one or a couple times doesn't make you gay. People get curious and just have fun. It does happen quite often... but that doesn't make them "gay"

I don't know enough about you to know why you feel so passionately about this. Are you yourself gay? If you are, more power too you, but like anything else in life that doesn't give you the right to incessantly impress your views upon others.

kddani · #26 08-15-2002, 04:54 PM

Good research, FuzzieAlum

No one will ever know a true figure so it's really hard to see. Like these articles say, there have been numerous studies showing between 1 and 17 % are gay. That's a huge discrepancy.

We'll never really know for sure. But it seems fairly pointless to guesstimate

CutiePie2000 · #27 08-15-2002, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by Hootie
I'm looking for a word other than stupid to describe the site...
I just think that it's unsafe for these woman and men to post their full names, universities they went to, and then have a link to email them. Are they wanting gay bashers to threaten/stalk them? I certainly hope the people who created that site have some action plan if something terrible goes wrong.

Hootie

I do agree that is an unsafe way for people to "come out". I worry that the "Less Progressive Minded" may harrass the names found on that web-site and the outed people may place their personal safety in jeopardy.

mmcline · #28 08-15-2002, 09:23 PM

There are 2 people on this site from my school. The guy nobody knows, I even asked people from the frat. that he listed and noone knows him. Anyways, the girl everyone knows she is gay and noone has a problem with it. She is actually dating one of her sorority sisters. Anyways, I honestly don't care that there are gays in greek life. There are 3 sororities on my campus and all 3 have openly gay members. This site though is dangerous, I can see that it could possibly lead to discrimination or something else.

PhiDeltUCI · #29 08-15-2002, 09:28 PM

I dont know about this, there's a delta sig from my school listed there, but we dont even have a chapter of delta sig, and AFAIK we never have, its a nice idea i guess but until they can make it more secure, it's kinda fishy.

kdonline · #30 08-15-2002, 10:24 PM

Look, everyone needs to realize that there are homosexual members in every fraternity and sorority. Maybe they don't come out as an undergrad or maybe they do. But be prepared, somewhere down the line, to face it.

This website is a different way of announcing to the world about your sexuality, and I suppose there is reason to be suspicious about how the names are listed (proof, etc).

But to doubt that there are any gays or lesbians in your ENTIRE GLO is totally unrealistic. Just accept it - they are your brother or sister.