Future NPC sororities?

[newsun]

Originally posted by James

Wouldn't NPC have to vote as a whole and unanimously agree to add another sorority?

I never thought of this, but James you are probably right. Getting 26 sororities to recognize another sorority "unanimously" would probably be near impossible!

I just checked my Green Book. It just states the eligibility requirements, it doesn't say how another sorority is voted into NPC once she applies.

[aephi alum]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
You know, I asked the same question about both NPC and IFC to the head of our IFC at SDSU, and I was told that an organization that has a tag in front of it (Multicultural, Christian, Latino, Asian) can't be members. Course I did ask about AEPhi, AEPi and ZBT, which he said was different because they are "traditional". I guess MAYBE there's some truth to that, but I'm guessing that's the wrong answer.

AEPhi doesn't have a "tag" in the sense that I think you mean it. We don't recruit only Jewish women; we will offer membership to any qualified woman who we feel will be a good sister, regardless of her religion. It's true that a lot of Jewish women tend to gravitate toward AEPhi, but that doesn't mean we only recruit Jews, nor does it make us a "Jewish sorority". The "tag" GLO's, in my (admittedly limited) experience, tend to recruit mainly or exclusively members of their specific religious or ethnic interest.

Originally posted by newsun
Am I the only one who would be excited to see the NPC grow?

No... I think everyone's point is that it's unlikely to happen any time soon, because becoming an NPC member is so difficult, plus a lot of non-NPC national sororities may not wish to be bound by the unanimous agreements, so they may not even want to try to join NPC.

[newsun]

Originally posted by AZ-AlphaXi

You know ... I've always thought that the biggest objection for a new, young group joining NPC would be the requirement to adhere to the expansion policy. For example, Ceres currently can place a colony on any campus they want. But should they join NPC, they would be subject to the same "open for expansion, presentation, invitation to colonize" methodology as the rest of us. That would certainly, I think, hinder a young group, when the competition among the rest of us to colonize is already high.

I do not think the eligibility requirements are that difficult. It is just a matter of time and a good expansion plan to have a national character for 13 years and to establish 14 chapters. The requirements are a good way of proving stability. However, the Unanimous Agreement on Expansion that AZ-AlphaXi mentioned would really hinder a young, growing group and it's probably the main factor that has prevented the NPC from growing.

Ok, now I am going to play devil's advocate. The Expansion agreement is a classic rule that enables the big NCP groups to really get huge in the number of chapters and the small groups to stay small.

Case in point, you only have to look at the existing NPC groups to see that the smaller groups have not gotten much bigger since the 1950s. Rarely do you see the smaller groups being able to expand to the big Greek campuses even when the sororities are twice the size of the fraternities on a campus.

Think of it this way, for the Expansion agreement to really be fair there should be a "total" number of chapters set for NPC so that all the smaller NPC groups could reach total.

[33girl]

newsun -

wow, that is one hot post and there are SO many things I could say, but I have placed a large unabridged dictionary on my foot so as to keep it out of my mouth!

I agree there should be something to "even out" the numbers of groups and help the smaller ones get up to speed...but like collegiate rush, I wonder if it would help, especially at the southern schools.

But on the other hand, if you think you can't, everyone else will think the same (i.e self fulfilling prophecy). If you keep thinking XYZ is better than you, you will never get anywhere. I know that seems naive and stupid but sometimes I think we need more naive and stupid.

[Eirene_DGP]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
You know, I asked the same question about both NPC and IFC to the head of our IFC at SDSU, and I was told that an organization that has a tag in front of it (Multicultural, Christian, Latino, Asian) can't be members. Course I did ask about AEPhi, AEPi and ZBT, which he said was different because they are "traditional". I guess MAYBE there's some truth to that, but I'm guessing that's the wrong answer.

I don't think they would come out and say this...but I can see the reasoning behind wanting only "traditional" sororities. To be perfectly honest, I don't see any Multicultural, Latino, Asian, or other ethnic sororities joining beyond an associate membership in the NPC anytime soon.

[SLOTheta]

At UC Davis, Kappa Delta Phi, the National Asian Interest Sorority is part of Panhellinic. I think they have a lot of chapters out there, maybe 30 or so?

[PenguinTrax]

Originally posted by SLOTheta
At UC Davis, Kappa Delta Phi, the National Asian Interest Sorority is part of Panhellinic. I think they have a lot of chapters out there, maybe 30 or so?

They are probably part of the local Panhellenic association, but they are not a member of the NPC. Local Panhellenics can approve local organizations to be associate members of Panhellenic, without those orgs being a member of the NPC.

[maggieaxid]

have there ever been any NPC sororities that have left NPC?

[PenguinTrax]

Originally posted by maggieaxid
have there ever been any NPC sororities that have left NPC?

Kappa Beta Gamma, a Jesuit based sorority used to be a member of the NPC. When their chapter number dropped, they left the NPC. There are still 3 or 4 chapters left in the country, all at Jesuit Schools. There are chapters at University of Detroit-Mercy, Loyola-Chicago, St. Norbert College. There used to be a chapter at Loyola-New Orleans

[Optimist Prime]

I'm thinking that if a group said they were, for example, Latino the couldn't join NIC because that implies that only Latinos could join, which would violate ethnic non-discriminsartory policys.

[33girl]

Originally posted by PnguinTrax


Kappa Beta Gamma, a Jesuit based sorority used to be a member of the NPC. When their chapter number dropped, they left the NPC. There are still 3 or 4 chapters left in the country, all at Jesuit Schools. There are chapters at University of Detroit-Mercy, Loyola-Chicago, St. Norbert College. There used to be a chapter at Loyola-New Orleans

There is a member of a Kappa Beta Gamma colony who posts on here, I think she is somewhere in Wisconsin. But I could be wrong, I had a late night.

As far as AEPhi and the other groups which were created as "Jewish interest" I think when they started up, they still used the same rush procedures etc. The way multicultural and ethnic based groups do rush is so different, if they became part of NPC and had to go along w/ its agreements, they would pretty much turn into a completely different sorority. The reason there are ethnic based groups in the NIC is because they really don't care how you rush.

[FuzzieAlum]

While I don't think a Latina group would want to join the NPC, they are generally quite explicit in stating you don't have to be Latina to join. It's like the NPHC groups - you don't have to be African American to join, but most members are.

Smatter of fact, most of the new ethnic sororities rush more like the NPHC groups - you approach one rather than all of them, as you do in formal rush. Switching to formal would be a huuuuge change.

Newsun, your post is intriguing, but I'm not sure I agree. If I was going to start a local and bring a national to my campus, I would want the strongest group I could find. It's not just the Panhellenic's rules keeping them out. It's like formal rush, when one chapter can't get the girls, and the school tries to pressure gals into joining them. They don't want to join a group that's not what they want. I know I wouldn't be happy if we wanted to bring X to our campus, but NPC told us, "No, you have to bring Y, because they are small and need chapters."

And if we didn't have the expansion rules, well, the smallest nationals still have limited resources. Would they have the money and volunteers to go open up chapters elsewhere - and would those chapters succeed? AXD has done a lot of expansion over the years but we aren't growing. There's maybe a reason these groups are taking care of the chapters they have first and foremost.

Originally posted by PnguinTrax


Kappa Beta Gamma, a Jesuit based sorority used to be a member of the NPC. When their chapter number dropped, they left the NPC. There are still 3 or 4 chapters left in the country, all at Jesuit Schools. There are chapters at University of Detroit-Mercy, Loyola-Chicago, St. Norbert College. There used to be a chapter at Loyola-New Orleans

There is also a chapter at Marian College in Fond Du Lac, WI and there may? be one at Marquette University in Milwaukee, WI

[madmax]

Originally posted by newsun


I never thought of this, but James you are probably right. Getting 26 sororities to recognize another sorority "unanimously" would probably be near impossible!

I just checked my Green Book. It just states the eligibility requirements, it doesn't say how another sorority is voted into NPC once she applies.

If they didnt recognize the new org then that might actually help the new org more thant it hurts them. They wouldn't have to follow the NPC rules. They could go over quota, total and make their own rules.

[Tom Earp]

Billy, Fuzzie and Max, good replys!


Some of this stems from the old line ideas of National or Internationals. But We all livwe in a different time and style of life!

The main thing is we need to All get it together andwork with each other! What do you think?