What makes you real or paper when pledging Blk frats or soros?

[BurningSands]

I have deleted "which frat or soro is better & animals symbols in frats & soros." I think this topic here is pretty good because members in org. sometime do not approve of "paper intakes" people who learn a little history 7 pay their money. I'm not for hazing, but I think we should go back to how pledge was. Out in the open so people kan see there is no hazing going on. One still need to learn the history, but that intake should have to cross the BURNINGSANDS.........

[Ghostface-Killah]

Hey BurningSands, ARE WE ON THE SAME PAGE OR WHAT???? I miss seeing people coming out at the parties, with the uniformes, sunglasses and with hot greetings for ALL greeks, no only the org. they wanted to join- DAMN THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!!!! Yeah, I have seen some crazy things going on, but I believe that the experience should be there for intakes to go through
As far as the topics, KEEP THEM COMING BABY!!!!!!!!!They obviously need to be addressed as they continue to make some of us mad-
PEACE YOU NUPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BURNING SANDS IS A KAPPA OF COURSE! DOESN'T HE DRIP WITH THE IMMATURITY, CONCEIT AND IGNORANCE OF A KAPPA MAN. I MEAN WHAT OTHER FRATERNITY WOULD DEVOTE THEIR TIME TO DUMB ASS FORUMS AS THE ONES HE PUTS UP IN ORDER TO GET OTHER GREEKS TRASHED AND TO GET PEOPLE ALL UPSET OR GET THEIR FEELINGS HURT! NO OTHER MAN BUT A KAPPA MAN!! WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO IN BETWEEN PATTING HIS SELF ON THE BACK AND MAKING WHORES OUT OF SWEET HEARTS AND DIAMONDS!!!!!!!

Oh see, you are wrong for that, LOL. You are the ignorant and immature one!!! You could have replied in a more mature way, esp. if you are downing someone else for being immature. You're so stupid, I think others will agree that that's all you did, make yourself sound stupid.

ASIA QUIT SWEATING ALL THE GREEKS WITH YOUR BROWNNOSING ASS! AND MY NAME IS SO BEACUSE I AM ALWAYS LAUGHUNG OUT LOUD AT GREEKS LIKE BURNING SANDS AND ASS KISSERS LIKE ASIA. NO REJECT BABY! TRUST ME IF I WANTED GREEK I WOULD HAVE GREEK! IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO OBTAIN!

[Eclipse]

BurningSands,
What year did you become a Kappa? As someone who graduated undergrad in 1988 and saw a number of above ground Greek lines, let me tell you that an "out in the open" process does not mean that hazing is not going on. Sure, folks may not be hitting the pledgees in public, but when someone is walking in line and they are limping, most folks can kinda figure it out. Why do you think the NPHC banned pledging anyway? Cause folks were out of control!! With an 'out in the open' process!

[ManndingoNUPE]

First let me state that just because my Frat Brother, Burning Sands has an opion that may differ from others, that is no reason to slam him. He has repeatedly appologized to people, and yet you still continue to criticize him.

Now as to reason for his question. There is I believe a question going in all of the BGLOS with regard to this topic. It would be silly of all of us to act like it is not going on. Maybe, it could be handled behind closed doors. I am a firm believer in keeping family buisness in the family. And this is not a secure site, so anyone could get hold of this information.

Now I became a member of my beloved Fraternity, Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. through an Alumni chapter, and there are people who might say, oh if you go grad, you are paper, or you skated. That is not the case, but even if one does think that way, there are plenty of people who pledged for months, (I know one guy who was underground for 2 years) and some of them that took the most wood, kane, fists, hammers, you name it, aint doing shit for the frat. If you came in after 1990, then basically no one should have had a "real process," since this MIP crap was instituted. I have a real problem with MIP, but that is another story.
Anyway, I am not sure how you all were made, but the brothers who made me, and kontintue to make me, have said that it is much easier to become a Kappa (or any other BGLO), than it is to be one. I am on a life long pledge process, one that I kontinually learn something new everyday. With over 80 years of history, there is no way that I can learn everything in the matter of a few weeks, or months. You have to keep learning.

Maybe I am getting off of the subject, but all of us should still be learning and working to uphold the principles of our organizations. I always ask myself, would Elder approve of what I am doing. If the answer is no, then I probably should not be doing it.

I try to live my life as 1) a proub black man, 2) A proud NUPE/Kappa man 3) A proud member of society. I will accept any member of my organization no matter how he comes in. I believe that we should have a process, becuase you should have to earn it. But anyone can take an ass whipping, but there is a difference between pledging, and getting hazed.

I appolagize for my long-windedness, but I just felt that I needed to say those things.

"my head is bloody, but unbowed"

ManndingoNUPE

[BatonRougeDelta]

This is how I think True Sorors and Frats go about their lives in their orgs. The learning, work and sacrificing doesn't stop once you get those symbols/letters on your chest. Preach on ManndingoNupe

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ManndingoNUPE:

Anyway, I am not sure how you all were made, but the brothers who made me, and kontintue to make me, have said that it is much easier to become a Kappa (or any other BGLO), than it is to be one. I am on a life long pledge process, one that I kontinually learn something new everyday.

Maybe I am getting off of the subject, but all of us should still be learning and working to uphold the principles of our organizations.

[Diva6]

I must agree with ManndingoNUPE, well said!! I embrace all of my Sorors regardless of their process, age, grad or undergrad. We all know the same secrets, have the same love for our organization and community, and share the same commitment towards community service. When I was pledging, I was told the real work begins after you cross, and this is very true. It doesn't matter what you do on line, your true commitment shows through
the work you do for your organization afterwards. You can take wood for months, but that will not create love for the letters you wear across your chest. To me, pledging is a lifetime vow you make, so keep it!


In the spirit of my Greek brother: "I thank whatever gods may be for my unconquerable soul"

[ManndingoNUPE]

Oh, and as for LOL, you know nothing about members of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. So you really need to shut up. As far as ignorant, we all can be sometimes. I can get really ignorant when it is warranted. So just please, if you are going to speak about the Knoble men in Krimson & Kream, please do so with the reverance and respect that is due all proud men of color.

"Many are called, but few are chosen, and some muther fuckers are just deaf."

Peace

[Asia2000]

Wow, for as many times as I have SERIOUSLY disagreed with the greeks on this forum, and have been criticized by them, I am the brown-noser? Hmm . . .

This argument is tired!!! Everybody wanna say how hard they pledged, but when was the last time you have done community service?? We talk about uplift, but when is the last time we helped a person in need (not your frat brother)? Those same people that bruised my azz up - - don't even go to meetings- much less pay dues. This goes on in every frat!!! New initiates do not have a say in how they are made. The National bodies of all organizations have mandated a specific "process". If you abide by your own rules, there should be but one way to enter the frat. I follow the constitution and by-laws of the frat. Anyone who does otherwise jeopardizes the chapter and the livelihood of that particular organization. To get in the frat somebody has to vouch for you. The work begins once you go in. You can't fault new members for the new process,old members abused they old way.

[harlemgirl]

I'm new to thins chat room and I've heard alot of interesting things I also am of interest to join a greek org. in the fall. I just thin that you guys need to stop stereotyping and find out for yourself

[Ghostface-Killah]

to MandingoNUPE:
...I AM THE CAPTAIN OF MY SOUL!!!!!!!

OH HOW IT LOVE WHEN PEOPLE.... DO THEIR THING!!!!!!!! HOW SWEET THE TASTE OF VICTORY!!!!!
Crazy love MandigoNUPE

[Ghostface-Killah]

PhrozenONE: See, here is the problem again- You asked so here it is- I JUST GOT HOME FROM DOING MY COMMUNITY SERVICE!!!!!! I work with foster kids, and BELIEVE ME- MYJOB IS NOT AN EASY ONE!!!! Besides all the paper work and court visits, and so on, I bring some of their problems home with me- Yet, I still go do my thing and help kids do their homework!!!!!!!!! Is this good enough for you? The thing is that I cannot asure you that all my sorors did it or that all org. are doing it. We need to stop worrying about what the next head is doind- I asked who is going to NYC AIDS walk on Monday- ONLY ONE PERSON REPLIED!!!!!!!
As far as pledging- There is more to it than just wood. NOOOO NOT EVERYBODY CAN TAKE an ass beating- Who cares- THERE IS MORE TO IT!!!!!!! I have never heard of a prospective who has been denied membership because they could not take the ass beating- IT IS THE MIND GAME THEY COULD NOT. TAKE AND THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME!!!!!!!!!Being greek is being apolitician- I WANT TO KNOW THAT MY SORORS WILL BE CAPABLE OF DOING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO!!! I NEED TO feel that if someone denies something when we are trying to help the community, she will be strong and educated enough to stand up and in a polite, educated and firm way demand what needs to be provided!!!!
WHEN I PLEDGED, and yes I did!!! I had library hours (5 hours a day every day) In addition, I had two hours every night during set to do my school work. Big sisters provided for me. It was not handded to me- I HAD TO USE MY RESOURCES!!!!!! IT WA MYJOB TOCOME TO THeM AND TELL THEM WHAT I NEEDED IT- Many times it was denied, but that is the whole point of it- MAKE IT HAPPEN- If this did not work, try that....
Damn- this is too long- Peace to all of you- I am soror to all who see me as such- TO those claiming that we don't make comments about pape/real- YOU KNOW WE DO!!!! I try not to, but sometimes people just don't click- even whitin the same org.