Groove Phi Groove

[CrucialCrimson]

If you don't consider your group a fraternity or "greek", why feel the need to post on a fraternity/sorority forum or start a thread at all??

[Cardiac]

First the word stole is completley justified when you look at the context in which it is used. All the accomplishments, History and greatness that this country accomplished were taken from them and to this day are credited to another, so I know stole is accurate. Like I tell everyone who ever asks me, Books always tell one side of the story and that's always the side of the victor. There will NEVER be a time where everyone will be willing to accept where the true spiritual and scolastical evolution of man started and that was in africa and Middle Eastern Europe.

Also I created this Thread becuase I saw a post inquiring what Groove PHi Groove was and that's why the first post is so short and is only asking anone who has question to ask me and I will enlighten them. This is my organization and I feel totally justifed in speaking about it where ever a question arises. If you don't think it's appropriate, tough don't read or write here.

Also the reason why Black Orgs feel that it is up to them to help the black communities because If they don't NO ONE will. THe NAACP abolished Jim Crow, Groups like the Black Panthers anf the groups Lead by people like Martin Luther King, Malcom X and other black men and women help minimize segregation, Fact is that is always Black People fighting for what they want that allows them to attain it.

Don't get me wrong I welcome the interaction but I think some of you mind as well keep your mindless comments to yourselves. Think before you type.

[JMUduke]

so what do you have to say about sororities? my sorority is actually formally called a fraternity....any more insight into this?

[TrojanGirl]

What about Abraham Lincoln?
What about all of the white people who protected slaves thru the underground railroad?
In the civil rights movement there were whites AND blacks trying to end the horrible treatment of people. My grandparrents were some of them.
I live in a mostly minority populated neighborhood. I have many friends who are african american, asian american, hispanic, jewish, Arabic, pagan, muslem, chirstian, and many other diverse groups. I, myself, am 1/4 native american 1/4 jewish and the rest mixed american mutt. I am, by definition, a minority myself.

And now some wisdom from my grandmother -
One man may start a change, but it takes many men to make it hapen.

TG

[Cardiac]

I know White PEople helped with the underground railroad and I know White PEople marched with Martim Luther King but you know and I know they did not start either cause. Black People who ran, ran and encouraged others to run, Black People who were tired of riding in the back of busess and sitting outside of resturants to eat fought spoke up to abolish segreagtion.

And about Abraham Lincoln, His cause was not the liberation of slaves, his cause was to hold the New World together because The south sought to recognize themselves as a new country outside of what is now the United States. The abolishment of slavery was a fortunate outcome of the war that sought to hold America together. And still there were slaves for a time afterwards.

Fact of the matter is synascism is not going to make your points any better, fact will.

And about the sororites,what is it that you want me to say. I know the first female sorority started out by calling them selves a fraternity. You gave me an ambiguous question.

[JMUduke]

I just meant you have so much insight into fraternities, white and non-white alike...I was just curious what your opinion is of sororities

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Cardiac
All the accomplishments, History and greatness that this country accomplished were taken from them and to this day are credited to another, so I know stole is accurate. Like I tell everyone who ever asks me, Books always tell one side of the story and that's always the side of the victor. There will NEVER be a time where everyone will be willing to accept where the true spiritual and scolastical evolution of man started and that was in africa and Middle Eastern Europe.

Who did Gutenburg steal the printing press from?

[Cardiac]

I don't want anyone to think I have a negative opionion of Fraternities or sororites. I think that any oraganzation who is trying to better society is good. I am quick to rattle the cage on organizations who don't.

If you go to my school Montclair STate University I will say 80% of the on campus population knows me and generally likes me. There is that other 20% though, I tell people how it is, I don't pull punches and there was a time when at a Greek Council meeting I pulled some sororities and fraternities cards.

I will not name the 3 sororities or the two fraternities but I will say that I told them that all they were good for was getting drunk and aving sex with eachother. (I used much harsher words) I do want yall to know i didn't say that out of anger or to hurt anyone. They questioned why I would not give them my vote for them to retain charter on campus. The school mandates we do a certain amount of community services a year to maintain recognized by the campus and in their cases they fell far short. One of them actually did no community services in their 13 year existence on my campus and they were founded there.

I realize some fraternities were not founded for service and are strictly social clubs but knowing this don't get upset when I recognize them as soley that.

Le t me cut to the point. If you about something, I'll ride with you. If you ain'tm you making that trip alone.

[Cardiac]

What does that got to do with anything we are discussing here. If you are trying to make a point I think it is too under stated.

All I know is some idiot fortunate enough to possess a photographic memory saw the blue prints to the printing press and came to america with a patent. If you are talking about the origin of the printing press, I have to tell you i'm stumped. Enlighten me.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Cardiac
What does that got to do with anything we are discussing here. If you are trying to make a point I think it is too under stated.

All I know is some idiot fortunate enough to possess a photographic memory saw the blue prints to the printing press and came to america with a patent. If you are talking about the origin of the printing press, I have to tell you i'm stumped. Enlighten me.

My point was simply in reference to this:

Originally posted by Cardiac
All the accomplishments, History and greatness that this country accomplished were taken from them and to this day are credited to another, so I know stole is accurate.

Here, I assume 'them' refers to African civilizations. You have made this point extensible to all learning and innovation . . . basically you're stating that all human advancement was predicated on stealing something from African societies.

So, since America adopted the printing press as the basis for literary (and therefore intellectual) advancement and promotion via mass-production of literature, who did Gutenburg steal it from?

Unless it was an African culture that was mass-producing books centuries before, it seems we've found a hole in the theory (however minor), b/c credit appears to be given to whom it is due.

Personally, I think the revelation that Egyptian culture was Semite (although existing on the African continent) should have been enough to make you re-think your theory . . . but what do I know?

[librasoul22]

On the topic of Groove Phi Groove, I will say that I was somewhat more enlightened by the posting of history.

What I still do not understand is this:

If your organization is so bent on seperating itself from being a "fraternity" or a "Greek-lettered" organization, then why have you adopted so many characterisitics of BGLO's? Line numbers? Line brothers? LINES?

It just seems to me that your org's entire premise was modeled after that of most BGLO's and then you turn around and talk about other cultures "stealing". Could it be said that you guys "stole" from BGLO's? I agree that much is derived from African culture, and yes, alot of it was stolen. However, to separate yourselves from Greek orgs/ fraternities, all the while, modeling yourselves after them, sounds kinda like the same thing to me...

[Honeykiss1974]

Cardiac,
DO you typically run into people like some of those that post on this board, that have a problem with the fact that your organization focuses on the betterment of the African American community?


Thanks for the enlightment and for staying positive !

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by JMUduke
I just meant you have so much insight into fraternities, white and non-white alike...I was just curious what your opinion is of sororities

I don't think he claims to be the guru on anything. he is just stating the rationale behind his organization.

[Tom Earp]

Honey Kiss, I am not sure whether to take umbridge to this or not!?

Not all people get a long, hell we know that!

There is a group in Kansas City Kansas that are Musilums of the Afro American persuasion and have a done a great job of promoting the Religion and Race buy opening Businesses to help the young Black Americans to learn the ways of business and putting then to work to learn!
I Salute them.


We do what we can and I do not like it when someone tells me that I do not! No reference to the group on this site!

We are trying to do more than a lot of people, but we cannot do it now or over night!

What about the Gays on site ? Are they Bad because they are different?

Well I may catch hell but you know me, I do what I can!

HK, we need to do a KC thing in the Fall when you are around!

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Cardiac,
DO you typically run into people like some of those that post on this board, that have a problem with the fact that your organization focuses on the betterment of the African American community?


Thanks for the enlightment and for staying positive !

Not that your comments were directed towards me, but I don't know that the folks from this thread have a problem with gphig bettering the black community. Most posts have problems with the history that the org is resting on and the supposed separation from greekdom.

Tom Earp, oddly, a lot of your posts have been making sense to me lately, lol. Perhaps a sign of too much time on GC??