G'day!

[lifesaver]

Originally posted by queequek

PM me if you need some more info on how much the culture shocks involved or anything. Good luck, Mr. Aussie-man

Actually, I am interested to hear about it...from a non-american perspective. What's really different about our society form yours, besides obvious things (i.e., all the americans, lol.) Like what suprised you, what didnt, what did you expect, not expect, if you dont mind sharing with the group... ) So you would reccomend greek life to get a feel for american culture? Cool.

[Lil_G]

Originally posted by Aussie

Lil_G, thanks for the heads up, I had no idea they used a similar Greek system to the US in Canada. For some reason I just presumed you had a tertiary system similar to the Australian and English one. I'll certainly consider a college in Canada, any opinions on Nova Scotia Community College, Uni of Alberta, or Uni of British Columbia?

Well boss, i can't say much about nova scotia community college. Never heard of it, must be very small. The last two however are good sized - 35,000 + and maintain well-developed greek systems. There are members from UBC that post here frequently that can help you much better that I can. UBC is located in Vancouver that doesn't really get summer nor winter. It has a strong greek system for a Canadian school. One thing i must mention now is that fraternities in Canada do not have anywhere near the size in #s that their american counterparts maintain. To be in a fraternity in Canada is a considerable different experience than if you were in the United States.

Here's a link for more info:

http://www.canadiangreeks.com/

[SoCalGirl]

Lifesaver-
I was actually trying to not come off snotty/bitchy. I was honestly trying to help!

Originally posted by Aussie
We play sport (not rugby, thankyou very much SoCalGirl, it's all Aussie Rules in Melbourne

Aussie,

I know ya'll play Aussie Rules football instead of Rugby. The reason why I mentioned it is a) it's similar enough that I'm sure it would not be hard for you to master, b) sports teams generally are very tight and brotherly, c) Rugby teams usually throw badass parties. I thought a rugby team would be a good alternative to a fraternity.

If you want to join a fraternity then I wish you good luck. The problem is that a lot of the questions your asking will depend greatly on the school.

I agree that you should try to join a group that has an alumni group in Australia. That way you can continue to contribute to the brotherhood after your year in America.

My chapter had an international student. She was a marvelous member and I could only pray that all members were as great as her. She gave two great years as and undergrad member and a year as an alumnae chapter member. But after 9-11 she couldn't get any employer to continue sponsorship of her visa so she had to return to Singapore.

Since you'll be a transfer student I'll assume you'll be a Junior. For a fraternity, that won't be such a huge concern. But to be honest, it's not a plus.

[queequek]

Originally posted by lifesaver


Actually, I am interested to hear about it...from a non-american perspective. What's really different about our society form yours, besides obvious things (i.e., all the americans, lol.) Like what suprised you, what didnt, what did you expect, not expect, if you dont mind sharing with the group... ) So you would reccomend greek life to get a feel for american culture? Cool.

life (and the rest of the group, esp. Mr. Aussie man),

I can write a book to answer all of these, but I will share some of the most important things comes out of my mind now. I will add later, and feel free to ask me later if you guys have questions

Well, first time I arrived in the U.S., I had no idea what is Greeks and what not. The goal I set for my self that time was to get a degree from my university. That's all.
I had to admit, the tendency of us was to hang out and live with people that share the most similarities with you, and my tendency was to talk in my native language and maintain my own culture. That was a normal behavior, I guess, like imagine yourself to be in Beijing to study and live and found a single American there. Would you talk with the person? Or would you just don't care ... So I did hang out with people from my hometown, and in my opinion, that closed my interactions with Americans. WTH you expected to go to school to different place and not to experience the live?
After settled down for couple months, I heard stories about Greeks from my fellow dorm people, on all the stereotypes (you know what they are! Both bad and good). Hell I was curious!
Because we have a strong Greek System, eventhough only 13% Greeks in my school, Greeks are dominant and everywhere, it seems. They're active, they're enjoying their lives, they're alcoholic, they're partying like no other, they're smart and focus, they're good looking, they're cool. It seems that they achieve a lot, and I HAVE to taste it. I like being active, so I thought that it would be good for me to feel what the Greeks is all about. So for short, I joined my beloved Theta Delta Chi fraternity. The finest moment of my live has began ...

Yeah, the biggest thing that differs the American culture with my culture is the openess and mass-living. Quite a shock for me to share a whole house with 40+ strangers. I used not to take shower "in public", or to knock on my own door to find out that my roommate needs some "privacy" with his girlfriend (yeah, what do you expect with Eastern cultures), or joining a organization with several surprises waiting in every corner. I love our histories and rituals, that is something I had NO slightest idea would happened to me, eventhough I pledged my fraternity already. I was not used to have this rich brotherhood with others, as well as our bonded alumni that comes to party with us for Homecoming. Or the 80 year old man that was so happy to see us, and insisted to be called a "brother" (in most of Eastern cultures, we avoid to be "unrespectful" to old people, like putting them down to our generation, if you know what I mean. So we NEVER use first name for someone older, eventhough the person only older couple years from you). Suddenly, my network opened and everywhere you go (US and the rest of the world), my own brothers would always be ready to provide you with anything they can help and would like to back you up for almost anything. I wasn't aware that when I joined my fraternity, I changed my whole life for good. I just though that simply I would live with Americans and improve my English. Or just partying. That wasn't it.

Oh yeah, you bet, so many awkward things have been happening since the first time I moved in couple years ago. First of all, this was the first time for all of us here to have an International student, so they had no idea how to treat me. It was a growing pain, try to adapt the pattern, on how you have to have Western manners, how to answer questions they have about my hometown (such as, how big is your village? do you have skycrappers in your country? do you eat dogs there? say something in your language!). I know they didn't really mean it, they curious on me, as well as I curious about them. Of course they made fun of me, as maybe it was weird for Iowans not to know what "poon" or "poudonk" mean. The strong friendship has formed. I always learned new things everyday, and also on the other hand, they learned new stuff about the rest of the world. Surely I opened their eyes to see new stuff as well, because they though that US was the best and the only good country in the world. Americans usually didn't care with the rest of the world, because hey, America such a big and strong country, why should us care about Malawi? Or who cares about the rebels in Phillipines that wants to be independent? Or how the East Timor as a country struggled with their independence from Indonesia or Portugal? Nonetheless, they slightly see the world, and I wasn't aware that I had a role to change perceptions of Americans here.

Now I am used to the, I can call it, "American cultures": one night stand, loss virginity before marriage, binge drinking, capitalism, working out, football, Abercrombie and Fitch, sorority girls, fraternity jocks, Greek Weeks, Homecomings ... and list would go on and on, and I wouldn't have learned them if I didn't join a fraternity. Nonetheless, I became "Americanized" as my fellow friends call me, and depends on which view you're looking at, that could be either good or bad.

Bad, maybe because most of the world doesn't like Americans. Several prototypes occured there, and I would not go farther. Good, because for myself, I loved America, and I could be "myself" in here.

So of course I would suggest my fellow international students to go Greek (esp. from the Western cultures), simply because it opens one's eyes and taste what college is all about. Greeks is not all about drinking. Or partying. Or getting laid everynight. Greeks is about brotherhood/sisterhood. Having fun. Enjoying your college experiences. Academics.

[aggieAXO]

I think that sums up why I love being an American-I can just be myself

Originally posted by queequek


Bad, maybe because most of the world doesn't like Americans. Several prototypes occured there, and I would not go farther. Good, because for myself, I loved America, and I could be "myself" in here.

[aggieAXO]

Wow, I can't believe it is that inexpensive for college there! I wish I had those student loans. College in America is more focused on academics. I knew that if I wanted to become a veterinarian or human doctor I had better have the grades-no pass/fail unfortunately.

BTW, University of Texas at Austin has about 50,000 students, great party school with a good academic reputation (OMG my grandfather is probable turning over in his grave rt. now-I said something nice about UT). I live 10 minutes away and Austin is an awesome city!!!!

Originally posted by Aussie
Hi everyone, thanks for the replies.

I feel perhaps I should clear some things up. Firstly, I meant no disrespect in my previous post. I am certainly looking for more than a place to party in a Fraternity, one of the main reasons I want to join one is for the brotherhood and personal development. Indeed, a lot of the Americans here at my residential college her in Melbourne reckon I should just live in a dorm and go to college parties but I can't help but feel that if I went to America and didn't join a Fraternity I would be missing a vital part of the college experience. One of my worries is that if I joined a Frat I would miss out on one of the other highly touted college aspects of having a room mate, something we don't do here... I hear that you form life long bonds with your room mate, they become like a brother, that's something that seems really cool to me. I figure though that joining a Frat would be like getting 100 roomates, you have that close a bond. Yeah?

The reason I mentioned that the academics of the school are not important to me is more complicated. Here in Australia university is virtually free. The government pays half your fees and the rest you owe on a deferred loan that is paid off through tax once you earn over A$22, 000 per year. University costs us about US$2000 per year, which we generally never notice paying off. Also, potential employers do not have access to your grades as I believe they do in the US, so getting high marks is not such a priority. As long as you pass you're right. So, because of this there is a lot more relaxed attitude towards university, the hardest years of your study life are the last two of high school, as your marks are the sole factor of what course you get into at university. It's not always the case, but I and most people I know tend to take the attitude that university is more about tasting the fruits of life than getting killer grades. It's our last chance to take like not so seriously I guess. Couple this with the fact that my grades from America would only transfer as pass / fail credits anyway, and my trip is less about more academics and more about absorbing the American culture.

[LeslieAGD]

Side note to Aussie: many guys find the nickname "frat" offensive, so make sure you say "fraternity"

[Tom Earp]

Aussi, first off, welcome to greek chat!

Yes, there are schools designated as certain schools as opposed to others.

My suggestion, is to find a smaller school of around 6,500 where you are a name instead of a number. I know we have members while not from international areas, but do have from many walks of life. That is just my Chapter but I know there are other Chapters who have members from all over the world.

I would love to have a Brother From Australia and be a Gorilla, our Mascot ( the Schools, Pittsburg State U. Kansas ).

But check out many, and see what fits! I have been involved in my Fraternity since 1965 so that tells you something. Lifersaver also said it very well.

Try greekpages.com and check out the site to see about Greeks and follow the Threads to see about schools.

The best of luck to you Mate!

Keep up on this site and updated!

[dekeguy]

Send me an email so I can connect you with my cousin who lives in Melbourne and works for the ANZ Bank. He is a recent grad from a UK Uni but is American and very knowledgable of the US Greek system. To get the best of the US system and also accomplish what I think you want out of your exchange year or years I suggest you consider Louisiana State University or Tulane University. Both are great schools and both have awesome Greek systems. Louisiana is a very laid back state and both of those schools have lots of international students. Also, think Mardi Gras (US, not OZ version!!!!!)
Have a VB for me mate,
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