Prejudism - Page 2

FuzzieAlum · #16 06-13-2002, 06:24 PM

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The definition of racism will never be resolve because Blacks and whites look at differently. Blacks view racism as a institution or a set of written or unwritten rules that are unfair against a group of people. In order to have racisim, the group must have power. The apatheid and Jim Crow are both racist systems. Those who applied those rules are considered racists. Whites view racism (as which Blacks called prejudice) as a person who believes that his racial group is superior to another race. They do not believe that power is necessary. Blacks on the other hand call this prejudice because power is necessary.

That's an interesting idea ... I would have just said that race is thinking one race is superior to another in some way. Racism is a view one person has or a system has. But then, I'm white. It never occurred to me that there was more than one possible definition of the word. This is something I'll have to think about.

Whether we want to call what the folks in the article did prejudice or racism, though, I think most of us would agree that their behavior is not appropriate in a polite society.

#17 06-13-2002, 06:28 PM

As a black person I gotta say that a black person can be racist just like any other person. To me hate is hate, no matter the color or the institution. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. But that's just MY opinion.

Dionysus · #18 06-13-2002, 06:36 PM

Black people can be racists, just like anyone else. However, it appears to me that black racism and white racism are different from each other in some aspects.

I think what neicy81 was reffering to, was the second definition of racism.

neicy81 · #19 06-13-2002, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by dzrose93

Excuse me???? That's really convoluted thinking. Like I said many times before, anyone can be racist. And it's wrong no matter who does it.

It doesnt matter how many times you said it before, BLACKS CANNOT BE RACIST. If a white person does not want to do business with black people, all they have to do is not deal with any. If a black person doesnt, it wouldnt make sense to do so because they will deal with whites in some wa or another.

neicy81 · #20 06-13-2002, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by dzrose93

The statement you made about "whites don't like to acknowledge that things happened" is wrong. If that was true, then the history books that I had in school would have been a lot shorter than they were. I think white people have done very well at taking responsibility for prior racist acts, laws, etc in this country. So please don't try and tell me that we're not acknowledging things that happened.

Also, please don't act as if black people don't have any POWER in this country. If you really believe that, then you are fooling yourself. I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It certainly does, and many black people are still faced with discrimination to this day. However, many white people are faced with racism from blacks also. It IS a two-way street. There is NO difference. Racism is racism and it doesn't matter who is on the recieving end. It's bad regardless.

And just what does history state hon? That Columbus discovered America?What the real meaning of Thanksgiving is?Sure, we can really rely on our white written history books. How have they taken responsiblilty?By eliminating affirmative action? Sure, you're umm right! Sike!

What racism have you encountered from black people hun? You bet your Ked gym shoes that you have benefitted from WHITE privilege whether you conscious of it or not.

When have you??
1. had problems buying a house in a black neighborhood? Oops sorry, you would never live next to such hoodlums.
2. been followed around the store by a black person?

I never said that blacks did not have any power. I stated that blacks do not have the power to stigmatize an entire race.How many blacks do you know have managed to wipe out millions of people from several races?

neicy81 · #21 06-13-2002, 07:46 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tom Earp
[B]Excuse me oh cranial rectosis one! Yes there is racisim by the African-American, Asian, and White Comunities!

I have no idea where you come by this information it sure is not from History!

Who do you think sold the Blacks to Americans but the Blacks who worked in conjunction with the Whites!

Whites love to mention that. But they seem to forgot that it was whites who slaughtered millions and attributed to the downfall of the race, not Africans.

Go figure!Go read a book!

cash78mere · #22 06-13-2002, 10:24 PM

ugh. here we go again. we have this SAME discussion every few months.

anyone can be a racist. period.

neicy81 · #23 06-13-2002, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by cash78mere
ugh. here we go again. we have this SAME discussion every few months.

anyone can be a racist. period.

Sure and black people can account for the genocide of millions of people. Yeah you're right...here we go again...PERIOD

Kevin · #24 06-13-2002, 10:43 PM

You all seem to forget that words have no implicit meaning. Racism to some means one thing and to others mean another.

Neither of you are wrong... Neither of you are right.

Yet in a sense you're both right....

And in another you're both wrong!

To me a cat is something that is nice to have around the house and purrs when you pet it. Someone else might think a cat is a mangy furball that hisses, bites, scratches and carries fleas.

Since CAT has no implicit meaning but is formed by my experiences I have my very own picture of what a cat should look like.

This argument in my eyes is COMPLETELY pointless...

Ya'll might discuss (rationally) what YOU each think racism is and respect what others have to say about what they think it is.

LHT,
Kevin

neicy81 · #25 06-13-2002, 10:55 PM

This is a rational discussion.

lovelyivy84 · #26 06-13-2002, 10:56 PM

Well said! This argument is pointless.

TO the initial poster, I don't know why someone would feel you were racist for saying that what those girls did was wrong. It was, and they should be arrested.

TO neicy81, chill out girl! Not All white people are bad! Honest! THey don't all have to be convinced of the historical wrongs done us, or that we still face obstacles in this American society. Some, I might even be persuaded to say many, know that to be the truth.

But when you phrase things like everything is all their fault, and demonize them, you lose the very people who agree with you and whose efforts are equally important in changing the status quo.

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Originally posted by ktsnake
You all seem to forget that words have no implicit meaning. Racism to some means one thing and to others mean another.

Neither of you are wrong... Neither of you are right.

Yet in a sense you're both right....

And in another you're both wrong!

To me a cat is something that is nice to have around the house and purrs when you pet it. Someone else might think a cat is a mangy furball that hisses, bites, scratches and carries fleas.

Since CAT has no implicit meaning but is formed by my experiences I have my very own picture of what a cat should look like.

This argument in my eyes is COMPLETELY pointless...

Ya'll might discuss (rationally) what YOU each think racism is and respect what others have to say about what they think it is.

LHT,
Kevin

hannah6782 · #27 06-13-2002, 11:18 PM

it seems to me racism is being looked at in the wrong way,
for example, if i met a german person, i wouldnt immediatly hate him for the holocaust, i wouldn't think oh he caused millions of my people to die, he is to blame. if he later said something anti-semetic, that would be a different story, then i would have a reason to dislike him not his entire culture, maybe some people do but i dont and i think the same can be said for black and white issues in this country, an african- american who doesnt like any white people because of what happened a couple hundred years ago at least is racist, because if that person then does something that is discriminating against you because you are of another ethnic group, then that person is to blame not everyone who is white. i just think that it is sad that people have so much aggression towards one another, if we want everyone to be treated equally then truely everyone should be treated equally no benifits, no special treatment, just equally.

-hannah

neicy81 · #28 06-13-2002, 11:19 PM

I never stated nor intended for this to seem as if I "hate" white people.If I hate someone, I hate them enough to kill them. And yes, I have white friends.

However, this discussion was brought up on other website. A user created a forum to vent their frustrations titled"What Pisses You Off About White People" and a white person comes in the fourm and cries racism every day. I still say that blacks cannot be racist. You don't know any black person that had attributed to the downfall of any whites.

Regarding changing the status quo, I beg to differ.Most are too comfortable benefitting from white privilege.

neicy81 · #29 06-13-2002, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by hannah6782
, maybe some people do but i dont and i think the same can be said for black and white issues in this country, an african- american who doesnt like any white people because of what happened a couple hundred years ago at least is racist, because if that person then does something that is discriminating against you because you are of another ethnic group, then that person is to blame not everyone who is white. i just think that it is sad that people have so much aggression towards one another, if we want everyone to be treated equally then truely everyone should be treated equally no benifits, no special treatment, just equally.

-hannah

Hannah, an african american disliking someone for that reason is prejudice not racist.How many white lynchings have you heard of?

dzrose93 · #30 06-13-2002, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by snuggles12
The definition of racism will never be resolve because Blacks and whites look at differently. Blacks view racism as a institution or a set of written or unwritten rules that are unfair against a group of people. In order to have racisim, the group must have power. The apatheid and Jim Crow are both racist systems. Those who applied those rules are considered racists.

Whites view racism (as which Blacks called prejudice) as a person who believes that his racial group is superior to another race. They do not believe that power is necessary. Blacks on the other hand call this prejudice because power is necessary.

#7 Snuggles
DST - RVA

Snuggles, thanks for the comparison. I think I understand a little bit of what neicy is trying to get across now.