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Old 06-10-2002, 12:35 AM
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Lightbulb rituals?

do these service fraternities have secrets and rituals like the other GLO's?
just asking!!
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Old 06-10-2002, 02:33 AM
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Re: rituals?

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do these service fraternities have secrets and rituals like the other GLO's?
just asking!!
ashley
I know that our organization is non-secret, however our rituals are secret like most GLO's
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Old 06-10-2002, 05:58 PM
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Service Orgs Suck!!!

That is why I pushed a wheel chair bound lady student around for 4 years to class every day!

Why should I as a Semi Jock do that? BaseBall.

Well sports fans, I loved that lady, and am A Proud Member of APO BN chapter!

While the Service Orgs are not The Social orgs, they do one hell of a lot and I have said it all! Yes, some of them party and have fun, and can be part of the Social Orgs., cant we all do our thing for Charity? LXA North American Food Drive, the largest Food drive in the USA!

My Chapeer also does Westernweek and Hot Tub A Thon for charitys! That is 3 things a year!

In The last 10 years, we have given over 1.M dollars, that just My Chapter!

Give today so that you may receive tommarrow!

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Old 06-10-2002, 09:25 PM
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Phi Beta isn't a service fraternity in the sense that you are posting about JayBee. Our official name is Phi Beta Fraternity: National Professional Association for the Creative and Performing Arts, so as you can see, we're a professional group. (And belong to PFA).

We are affected by Title IX, though. In fact, I just recently came across an old magazine article that mentioned the fraternity's vote on which way to go with Title IX (open membership to men or change our premise). I am proud that we now allow men, because I know some great brothers that I wouldn't have otherwise!
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Old 06-11-2002, 01:59 AM
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Rashid, your statements make you seem that you are complete denial. Saying that the 1987 manual was wrong, and the CD corrected it's mistake, is showing us that you believe in something that you have to believe in. And nothing, not even the truth will make you see anything. That's completely deep to say, without written proof, about an Alpha Phi Omega document.

Being a member of this great organization for years, lack of male interest to this fraternity does frequent this organization to a astronomical extent. And it seems that you are saying, since the founders are not the ones that made you, they are no more important that the next member. In this statment you made:

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Yes, Frank Reed Horton died before the constitutional convention of 1967. But how many more Founders were living? How many were living in 1976, when we went coed? Y.....
You talk as if this is no longer Alpha Phi Omega, an organization founded by Frank Reed Horton. You are in essence, saying that this organization is one of the people and the people who founded this organization are dead and buried, lets take it to where we want it to be. If that's true, w
hy even mention there names, Why even have a history if it is not important anymore. You don't create an organization with the knowledge that it will take a completely different direction after you died. All that you worked for suppose to be be the foundation of you organization. And you know it will stand as is, because the foundation is thick. You don't come and create your own organization and toss what they built aside because you simply think that it is outdated.

You're chapter is now predominately female. What gets me is how are you going to use the history of the chapter like your coed chapter established it. Being in a chapter that has been coed since 77. Bill Clinton came through in 1967. How do you even know if he wanted to have been there if the chapter was coed. It was the history of the all male chapter that was once there at Georgetown that gave you a chance to wear those letters in the first place. Mu Alpha is "just" majority female. You guys are the lucky ones. There are chapters that are over 90% female. And
there is a need for a focus on the male. At a chapter in Indiana, on the internet they listed 113 members. 98 were female. What happens to the male attraction. At another school their campus yearbook states Alpha Phi Omega National service Sorority. Young men are not attracted to a sorority.

Basically, this is fraternity design to help young men. So if you do not think that manhood supplement development is important, you delete it. Just as Alpha Phi Omega has been doing over the years. To where now the history that was on 12 pages in 1980 is one one page today. Why? It is because it doesn't apply anymore? If your chapter is coed, and doesn't have a focus on young men, for just simply attraction alone, then you are witnessing first hand the shattering of a dream from that one man. That one man that you own your "entire" APO experience to. The dream that he oath unto himself to create. The one that the Lord. The dream to help young men by holding before them a Standard of Manhood. Not any standard of manhood, but a standard of manhood that would "Withstand" anybody trying to change it's meaning. That would withstand any legistlation. He basically was saying that this standard of manhood, will be here after we are all dead and buried. You might not be able to see whats sitting there in plain sight, and actually it would be understandable. Because anybody that was made to take an oath in this organization, are automatically placed in a position where they have to defend. You have to make total sence out of all your decisions. And it's easier for a female to say they joined an organization designed to help young men so those men can excell in Manhood, than it is for a guy to say that they joined an organization designed to help young women so those women can excell in Womanhood. And when we see look at Womenhood, we then see distinc differences cleary designed for Women. But when you join and pledge to any system, the system has you. You raised your right hand. How can you turn your back on your word. Plus you are in the mist of other people who have done the same thing. You are now dedicated.

But lets say that the fraternity decides to create a generalized focus for young men. But not only that, they say that all of your pledge groups and any new petitioning groups have to have at least 75% male or it will not be excepted. Of course, coming from a certain way of life, you would have resistence. I'm totally against having to have a cross section of the popluation of the campus to create a chapter of Alpha Phi Omega. This organization should allow any group to join. We first created a membership for females, and then ten years later, we dissallow any group that is all male to form a petitioning group. It is as if completely we took the rights out of the students who might of had their own desires.
Thats simply not right.
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Old 06-11-2002, 10:03 AM
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Bill Clinton came through in 1967. How do you even know if he wanted to have been there if the chapter was coed.
First off, brother or not, I have to say I don't give a rat's rump what Bill Clinton would have wanted (although I have a hard time believing he would have run away from a group of females in ANY situation ).

At another school their campus yearbook states Alpha Phi Omega National service Sorority. Young men are not attracted to a sorority. [/QUOTE]

I would blame this on the yearbook staff before I would blame it on the chapter. Sometimes there are people not familiar with the Greek system at all on staff and they make assumptions. My (social) sorority had a lot of members who were in the band, and consequently, in one yearbook we were on the same page as the band organizations, because the staff thought that we were "the band sorority" (Tau Beta Sigma). So that is not the fault of APO allowing women...it's the fault of stupid yearbook staffers.

We first created a membership for females, and then ten years later, we dissallow any group that is all male to form a petitioning group. [/QUOTE]

Please fill me in on this...I would assume that an all male group that intends to take in female brothers would be fine, but a group that states their intention to stay all male would be denied? As far as I'm concerned, that's how it should be. What if an interest group of Alpha Chi Rho said "we will only take Christians" or an interest group of Pi Kappa Alpha said "we will only take whites"? Are you saying you would be alright with that?

p.s. to the bros of AXP and PKA - don't take it personal, just using you 2 as groups that had restrictive clauses and have gotten rid of them.
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Old 06-11-2002, 05:42 PM
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JayBee, if you do not catch my drift on some posts, I many times start out by stirring up sopme Stuff!

The only thing I know that beeing a member of APO since 1960 that it is a wonderful Organization that does good for the not so fortunate!

I was wrong, I am not a member of BN but BU chapter at NWMSU!

We had many different people in the APO Group, none of a social fraternity nature but we did a lot of important things while I was there!

Do not feel in any way that there is a demeaning thing about being on this thred and site!

Those that say things have never been a part of what APO does daily!

God Bless The APO ORG!

Yours in the Best of Health and Fratenalism!

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