Double cohort - Page 2

CutiePie2000 · #1 04-27-2002, 10:22 PM

For the Americans who are confused by this strange Canadian phenomena!....

In almost all of Canada, you are done high school after grade 12.
Then, after grade 12, you can enter university (provided you have decent grades, of course

).

HOWEVER.......In the province of Ontario, for many years, they also had Grade 13. (Don't ask me why...I am a British Columbian and my Toronto friends tried to explain it to me and I would zone out by the 3rd sentence)

Grade 13 has now been phased out. From here on in, kids will graduate after Grade 12, not Grade 13. However, you still have that last gasp of kids in Grade 13, the last ever grad class of Grade 13'ers.

So for this one year, universities are having kids coming from Grade 12 AND Grade 13, so you have twice as many kids ready to start university at once, hence the problem with space.

This is what is being discussed, and most of the Canadians on this specific thread are from Ontario (Toronto, Ottawa and Guelph) ....

Hope that cleared it up!

P.S. Grade 13 = OAC, which stands for Ontario Academic Credit...I think

Lady Pi Phi · #2 04-28-2002, 12:30 AM

OAC is actually, Ontario Academic Course.

it hasn't been called Grade 13 in like 30 years or so. It was a complete waste of time, and it should have been phased out earlier. It should have been phased out after they got rid of the provincial exams. Oh well, I suffered through and managed to get 9 credits, even though I only needed 6.

aephi alum · #3 04-28-2002, 10:07 AM

My freshman-year roommate was from Ontario. Her OAC year wasn't a complete waste of time, as she managed to place out of many of her freshman classes (much to my, our other roommate's, and her pledge sisters' envy

). But she spent most of her time whining about how she wasn't allowed to place out of ALL her freshman classes and how she wasn't given sophomore standing... (I think she wanted a single

)

From a dumb American's perspective

the OAC year sounds very much like tacking on an extra year of HS during which you just take a bunch of AP courses. Hmm, sounds like how I spent 12th grade

So eliminating it sounds like a good thing.

chscrew144 · #4 04-28-2002, 03:32 PM

Even if not a great amoutn go out of province that still means that more kids will, maybe some for sports some for academics and some for a mixture of both of those too but certainy UBC, McGill, Dal and Mount allison (i should've applied there...) will experience growth... not to the level of say UWO or Ottawa or Queen's but a larger growth than usual.

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Originally posted by SigPiTO
I'm just wondering what school chscrew144 goes to. Obviously it's in Ontario, or you wouldn't be talking about this because not a great amount of Ontario students go out of Province (McGill, Dal and UBC may be the main exceptions). Personally here at U of T I don't think it will affect fraternity life as much as we hope it might. We're non-existant in the minds of many students and the university will never recognize us (Student council has, but that's because most of it is Greek now; the SAC prez is a Deke). I have a feeling that the double cohort of OAC and grade 12 students will help GLOs at schools like Carleton, UWO, Ottawa U, Waterloo, Laurier and possibly even Guelph since the age of freshman is going to be 17-18 and they may find that fraternity life will be their way of have a social life. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Kris
Sig Pi
University of Toronto

PS. Sorry to all you Yanks that don't know what the hell us hosers are talkin about.

chscrew144 · #5 04-29-2002, 01:14 AM

http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca...hort/index.asp

Lady Pi Phi · #6 04-29-2002, 01:42 AM

Sure, if you go to school in the US, the OAC might be a good thing. But like most Canadian we stay here, so those with OAC feel many firt year courses are a waste because we've pretty much done them already.

chscrew144 · #7 04-29-2002, 01:56 AM

OAC was intended as a bridging year to give kids going into university some time to cope with a harder courseload while still in the small confines and warm environment of a hs with kids and teachers they knew instead of being thrust into small towns.

it used to be that you could do a BA in 3 years but they discontinued that for my class. Now you have to do an honours ba if you are just registering but the class ahead of me can still graduate next year if they wish.

OAC can still be used to improve social, academic and atheltic skills as many coaches from the US find ontario recruits much sharper than American counterparts and being a year olde rthey have that much more time to improve their game which is always a plus. The elimination of OAC will certainly see an influx in talent coming into the US for a while as well, most notably in hockey, rowing, lacrosse and other major Canadian sports.

Quebec has Cegep for reasons that i am not aware of and some schools in the states (Blair Academy, Exeter, SPS, Groton, BBN) offer a PG year for students to raise marks and SAT scores to qualify for athletic scholarships in the states but these PG schools are generally private prep schools.

Lady Pi Phi · #8 04-29-2002, 02:33 AM

As far as I know. UofT is the only school that eliminated the 3 year BA. But I'm sure other schools are on their way to doing the same thing.

chscrew144 · #9 04-29-2002, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
As far as I know. UofT is the only school that eliminated the 3 year BA. But I'm sure other schools are on their way to doing the same thing.

well, for me that's the only school that matters at the moment lol i wish I hadnt fucked up this year but I am hoping not to have to finish my degree but rather possibly taking a year off and applying to grad school during or after 3rd year... I definitely need to raise my average tho... even Ottawa looks like its hard to get into these days. York wants a B+ and UBC wants a 74 which is a 3.0 here at UofT.. I really would like to go to Notre Dame tho

chscrew144 · #10 05-01-2002, 07:40 PM

U oFT just recently released a website on the bouble cohort and i beleive I posted it here but it doesnt seem to be showing up.

LeslieAGD · #11 05-01-2002, 07:45 PM

Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not understanding what this Double Cohort system is/does. Can someone explain in layman terms?

chscrew144 · #12 05-01-2002, 07:56 PM

ok

Loads of more kids are graduating next year due to the end of OAC so we've got this massive influx of kids in to the college/university system in Ontario and to an extent UBC and McGill.

Even this upcoming year there are a lot more kids due to fast trackers graduating early to avoid the double cohort.

FuzzieAlum · #13 05-01-2002, 08:07 PM

I had a friend from Toronto, so I understand about the extra grade, but can someone explain to me what the difference is between college and university? Here in the US it's really a technical thing based on whether or not the school offers degrees beyond the bachelors, but to the student the difference really is null. But it sounds like it means more to ya'll.

chscrew144 · #14 05-01-2002, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by FuzzieAlum
I had a friend from Toronto, so I understand about the extra grade, but can someone explain to me what the difference is between college and university? Here in the US it's really a technical thing based on whether or not the school offers degrees beyond the bachelors, but to the student the difference really is null. But it sounds like it means more to ya'll.

ECC and Ntrip are colleges. So are seneca, george brown, humber, centennial, sheridan........

Colleges are like CC's/JC's here. There for people whow ant something either very specialized or who are not good nough to make it into university. College is 3 years. university 4. Thast;s another big difference. plus colleges are small. i belong to a college because u ofT has a college system. There are a few thousand registered kids in my college. There are almost 60k in the university!

FuzzieAlum · #15 05-01-2002, 10:04 PM

OK, thanks, Eta bro!