Injustice to the Bruhs at Southern U.?

[Curious1]

I write for the Southern Digest. And "WE" have a lot of flack about what we have no control over. We print the news as we receive. Everyone talking about how the Alphas should be handled. remember the Alpha chapter fighting was not BETA SIGMA, it was Nu Psi from LSU. No one at Southern has any idea how they are being handled. And no one seems to care, all anyone can say is that Beta Sigma from SU shouldn't be and they aren't. Do we know that they aren't? LSU is not as open with their students regarding things like this as SU is.

[ladyjag99]

Originally posted by Curious1
I write for the Southern Digest. And "WE" have a lot of flack about what we have no control over. We print the news as we receive. Everyone talking about how the Alphas should be handled. remember the Alpha chapter fighting was not BETA SIGMA, it was Nu Psi from LSU. No one at Southern has any idea how they are being handled. And no one seems to care, all anyone can say is that Beta Sigma from SU shouldn't be and they aren't. Do we know that they aren't? LSU is not as open with their students regarding things like this as SU is.

I agree with that. I've been trying to find information on the dispensation of the APhiA chapter at LSU and couldn't find anything. As a matter of fact, they are having a probate show and a barbeque this afternoon, so I guess they aren't in any trouble that we know of. I honestly didn't expect them to be.

Point of clarification: Southern University's APhiA and Omega chapters are BOTH called Beta Sigma. SU's APhiA chapter shouldn't be anywhere near that mess -- they're on probation (lifted from suspension). The fight SU's Ques has was with the Alphas of LSU? Anyone know what's going on with the APhiA chapter at LSU (Nu Psi)? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is nothing.

[ladyjag99]

Originally posted by the411


BUT--the Alphas should at least get a smack on the hand for their role in creating the conflict. That's MY opinion.

I don't understand that. Why should they be punished? Think of it this way. I'm a single woman living alone. If one night, I'm sleeping in bed and hear a living room window break, I'm going to get out of bed with a baseball bat and clobber whoever I saw in my living room. If the guy gets a concussion, that's his own fault. I had no way of knowing who the intruder in my living room was. I have no idea if the window breaking was intentional or accidental. In short, I don't know if the guy intended to harm me or not and I defended myself accordingly. No jury in the world will convict me for assault--I was just defending myself.

It's the same situation. That Alpha had NO IDEA whether or not the Omega meant to harm him, and he defended himself accordingly. This occured in seconds. Nobody had time to wonder about the other guy's motives or to tell themselves to back off because the other guy might be crazy. They simply defended themselves. The Ques may have a case for their appeal if the action that started the fight was mis-interpreted as being hostile. Grabbing and tearing up a check that another group was receiving on state can't be interpreted as anything but hostile. Shoving, I could excuse, pushing, I can let it slide, being tripped up, could be an accident, but tearing up a check that I'm receiving on stage? I don't think so. I'm not going to stand there and wonder about the other guy's sanity. There simply isn't enough time for me to think about it.

[the411]

Originally posted by ladyjag99
I don't understand that. Why should they be punished? Think of it this way. I'm a single woman living alone. If one night, I'm sleeping in bed and hear a living room window break, I'm going to get out of bed with a baseball bat and clobber whoever I saw in my living room. If the guy gets a concussion, that's his own fault. I had no way of knowing who the intruder in my living room was. I have no idea if the window breaking was intentional or accidental. In short, I don't know if the guy intended to harm me or not and I defended myself accordingly. No jury in the world will convict me for assault--I was just defending myself.

It's the same situation. That Alpha had NO IDEA whether or not the Omega meant to harm him, and he defended himself accordingly. This occured in seconds. Nobody had time to wonder about the other guy's motives or to tell themselves to back off because the other guy might be crazy. They simply defended themselves. The Ques may have a case for their appeal if the action that started the fight was mis-interpreted as being hostile. Grabbing and tearing up a check that another group was receiving on state can't be interpreted as anything but hostile. Shoving, I could excuse, pushing, I can let it slide, being tripped up, could be an accident, but tearing up a check that I'm receiving on stage? I don't think so. I'm not going to stand there and wonder about the other guy's sanity. There simply isn't enough time for me to think about it.

But that's just it-- it was OBVIOUS what the state of mind was of the Bruh who grabbed the check and tore it up--Even Helen Keller could see that! So, all I'm saying is that, if you f#@k with someone who is already PISSED, then you're not gonna get a sweet response from them if you respond to them with aggression! All I wanna know is why did he snatch a torn-up check away from someone who was ALREADY HOT WITH ANGER? Did he expect the Bruh to embrace him with a hug and a teary-eyed apology? When you respond to aggression with aggression, you get nothing more and nothing less than aggression. NO--I am NOT implying that the Alphas asked for it! YES--the Bruhs started it! But, just try to answer this question as honestly and objectively as you can: Do you think the Bruhs would have jumped on the Alphas if, when the check was snatched away and torn, the Alpha had kept his cool (realizing what he was dealing with) and NOT snatched it back? I doubt it!

Your comparison to having someone break into your house is ridiculous logic. First of all, by breaking into your home, the criminal is INTENDING to harm YOU--perhaps not physically, but definitely by taking what belongs to you. Therefore, you are completely justified in defending yourself if necessary. (Me personally, I doubt I'd try to fight off a burglar, so mad props to you for your bravery. ) After all, he's deliberately/intentionally messing with you and yours .

But, if you aggravate a mad person who's anger-motivated actions aren't initially targeted toward you and, as a result, that person lashes out at you, then you're the idiot for not expecting a hostile/negative outcome. How could that Alpha be so naive as to think that further aggravating an already angry person would result in a joyful frolic in the park?!?!?

Everyone's acting like I want to see the Alphas get lynched or something? A public apology for the disruption is enough for me! Regardless of who started it and why--both groups were involved in a public disturbance. No one's saying that the Alphas should receive the SAME sanctions or even harsh sanctions, for that matter. But, to know that an embarrassing brawl of that magnitude would have been avoided if one guy would have stepped back, taken a deep breath, and let the step show committee take care of the check situation, is to accept that the fight was perpetuated at least SLIGHTLY on account of his poorly thought-out reaction. After all--the Bruhs' initial anger was not directed toward the Alphas. But, as I said once before, in my opinion, the fight ensued as a result of both groups' efforts to determine whose penises are larger.

Maybe it's just me who feels that black greeks should set positive examples rather than perpetuate the myth(?) that BGLOs are nothing more than gangs! Fighting is ridiculous and barbaric as it is, but especially when we--the ELITE--are the ones doing it because we're afraid of being punked by another org. I'm sure all ol' boy thought about was "How is it gon' look if this Que takes our check and tears it up, and I don't do anything?" So, he--refusing to look bad or make his frat look back--retaliated (to add an inch to his penis). Already heated, the Bruhs would not be out-done and that's what led to the altercation. Since the required level of maturity was absent on both parts, they're both at fault for the violent disruption that resulted from their childishness.

Again--this is my opinion and I can understand and appreciate any others that contradict it. I'll respect yours if you'll respect mine.

Geez, I haven't argued this much since me and Doggy got into it about interracial dating!

And I'm Out!

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by the411



Geez, I haven't argued this much since me and Doggy got into it about interracial dating!

And I'm Out!

Yes, I am for interracial dating!!

Dogs and Ducks.

[the411]

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
Yes, I am for interracial dating!! Dogs and Ducks.

That would be more like "inter-species" dating, wouldn't it?

[ladyjag99]

Originally posted by the411


Again--this is my opinion and I can understand and appreciate any others that contradict it. I'll respect yours if you'll respect mine.

Geez, I haven't argued this much since me and Doggy got into it about interracial dating!

And I'm Out!

On that note, we'll agree to disagree.

Looking forward to the next debate.

[Greeknic.com]

Brothers and Sisters of Greekdom, the point is the team that won didn't do anything to that Omega that jumped on the stage. He commited a crime aganist another person. Like the sister said, the Alpha's didn't know what the man was going to do when he tore up a check on stage.

As Greeks, we can't afford to have members do things like that towards another person.

[the411]

Originally posted by Greeknic.com
the Alpha's didn't know what the man was going to do when he tore up a check on stage.

He may not have known exactly what he was going to do, but he did know that the Bruh was quite angry. That should have sent up a red flag that the wrong reaction (snatching the check back) may have led to the very thing that happened.

And that's it for me on this one.

Please--let's just all PRAY that such ridiculousness never taints our black greek system again, capisce?

And what--?
Yeah you know... I'm Out!

[The Original Ape]

I wasn't there at that show, but I know this; ANY body, or org, that would be foolish enough to get on stage and try and snatch a check that ME AND MY BRUHS earned, will take a SERIOUS LOSS! PUT THE SHOE ON THE OTHA FOOT... Had the Ques won and my bruhs snatched the check, would the result be different?

Incidentally; I just checked yall's bruhs out on BET, and yall held it down!!! I think at this point, yall will win it. It was the best show so far in the contest.

[the411]

Original--
I think everyone agrees (including the Bruhs) that the Que was totally out of line. Personally, I don't care who's on what side--the whole incident was a mess!

Glad to see you in the Dawg House!

TGIF!!!

And I'm Out!

[1913CrimsonQT]

Hello everyone!

I was at the show. Actually, I was in it (2nd Place – Iota Theta Chapter of Delta Sigma Theta). Actually, I was on stage when the whole ordeal took place. I was right where the action was.

I’ll give you the straight facts and leave my opinions on who should have been punished and yada yada yada out of my post….

From what I saw, and I had a very good position as well as a tape of the event:

When Nu Psi received their first place check, a member of Beta Sigma tore it. Someone threw water on someone...(I'm not sure as to who). BUT, the first 'lick' was thrown by a member of Nu Psi.

While people in both chapters were fighting, the majority of the fighting between the two fraternities were people who were not even enrolled in school. There were some men that looked older than my father going at it.

I can say that some of the members of the Beta Sigma chapter were trying to break up the fight and move females into safety.

I attend LSU, and Nu Psi will not be getting in trouble anytime soon. Greek Affairs never even thought about punishing them.
Also, it didn't help the whole situation that Nu Psi talked major sh*t in front of Omegas before the results were announced.

[the411]

Thanks for the insight, Soror! If what you say is true, I stand even more firmly on my position that the Alphas should take some of the blame.

I think lots of thread-readers are assuming that I'm taking this position because of my unyielding, unwavering COLEMAN LOVE for my Bruhs, but that really isn't it at all! If the Bruhs had won and an Alpha had torn their check, I'd feel the same way. If the Sorors had won and an AKA had torn their check, I'd feel the same way. We are all supposed to be far above and beyond FIGHTING and I just don't buy that self-defense BS! Someone has to be the bigger person at some point.

And I'm O-U-T!!!

[1913CrimsonQT]

You're welcome Soror!

My personal opinion is much like yours.

Originally posted by the411
Thanks for the insight, Soror! If what you say is true, I stand even more firmly on my position that the Alphas should take some of the blame.

I think lots of thread-readers are assuming that I'm taking this position because of my unyielding, unwavering COLEMAN LOVE for my Bruhs, but that really isn't it at all! If the Bruhs had won and an Alpha had torn their check, I'd feel the same way. If the Sorors had won and an AKA had torn their check, I'd feel the same way. We are all supposed to be far above and beyond FIGHTING and I just don't buy that self-defense BS! Someone has to be the bigger person at some point.

And I'm O-U-T!!!

[DoggyStyle82]

I think violence is counter-productive and extremely irrational. I feel you Original Ape. If the situation were reversed, I'd be the first one throwing blows. It's unfortunate that by one person losing their cool and perspective can lead to such disastrous results (the public display of violence that leads many to the wrong belief about our orgs)

Its unfortunate. How do the Greeks get along in Cleveland?