STOP BEING SO STUPID!

[lovespink88]

Nothing of value to contribute to this thread but

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Somebody should warn them.

YES.

And the title reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx40udwQvZI

[amIblue?]

Just love the title of this thread. Would like to make a t-shirt that says this for some (certainly not all) of the college students I encounter.

[FSUZeta]

I am not agreeing with what the chapter did, but not allowing them to participate in formal recruitment while allowing them to hold COB events in the spring, but limiting the number of new members to no more than 30, is encroachment on membership matters by the university. That is worrisome.

I think it would be more appropriate for the chapter to have social sanctions, the exception being events that support their philanthropy, as well as sensitivity/diversity training.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

I think it would be more appropriate for the chapter to have social sanctions, the exception being events that support their philanthropy, as well as sensitivity/diversity training.

Except we all know that social sanctions are easily skirted and that sensitivity/diversity training is rarely taken seriously.

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Except we all know that social sanctions are easily skirted and that sensitivity/diversity training is rarely taken seriously.

I didn't know that. Where have you heard about social sanctions being ignored?

If they disobey, then there should be a more severe penalty. I hope that the point would be for the members to learn from their collective mistake, not to prevent the chapter from being viable. If the point was to make it difficult for chapter viabilitym then they should just shut the chapter down.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

I didn't know that. Where have you heard about social sanctions being ignored?

If they disobey, then there should be a more severe penalty. I hope that the point would be for the members to learn from their collective mistake, not to prevent the chapter from being viable. If the point was to make it difficult for chapter viabilitym then they should just shut the chapter down.

Events on a registered social calendar aren't the only social events that happen. That has been true since the dawn of time.

[AOII Angel]

Those sanctions could mean the death of that chapter. When their probation ends, they will be far behind the other groups who will get far more than the usual number of NMs during fall recruitment because the PNMs will be divided by fewer groups.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Those sanctions could mean the death of that chapter. When their probation ends, they will be far behind the other groups who will get far more than the usual number of NMs during fall recruitment because the PNMs will be divided by fewer groups.

That's the point. Although, they should be allowed to bid up to total, whatever total is, instead of being limited to 30 people.

As with most things, if the student body at large finds these actions repugnant, it will show in their recruiting. If the student body doesn't give a crap or approves, it might actually up their numbers after they get off probation by giving them an "outlaw" reputation. In other words, these sanctions don't always work the way the university or GLO thinks they will.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

That's the point. Although, they should be allowed to bid up to total, whatever total is, instead of being limited to 30 people.

As with most things, if the student body at large finds these actions repugnant, it will show in their recruiting. If the student body doesn't give a crap or approves, it might actually up their numbers after they get off probation by giving them an "outlaw" reputation. In other words, these sanctions don't always work the way the university or GLO thinks they will.

I think a lot of that depends on the popularity of the chapter. Traditionally strong chapters have a better chance of exiting the situation in a good position. I agree, though, that students are not always deterred by these sanctions. A weaker chapter would likely not benefit from an outlaw reputation. I don't know this chapter's situation, but it will be tough to exit probation gracefully.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think a lot of that depends on the popularity of the chapter. Traditionally strong chapters have a better chance of exiting the situation in a good position.

Yep. There are chapters who can fall in a pile of poo and come out smelling like roses. (Much like people in general, of course)

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

Where the HELL were the advisors?

To piggy back on this, don't most universities have some sort of oversight on recruitment events and or general social events?

This may have changed, but at Kentucky (for example), any campus wide social event or recruitment event – both formal and informal - was to be registered ** with and receive approval from Fraternity and Soririty Affairs (i.e. Greek Life office). The official event notice would include any “theme”, who were to be the guests ("open" event versus invite/guest list), location, etc. Thus “in theory”, anything that was considered “questionable” would not be approved. Also, a chapter could get into trouble if they varied from their official notice. In other words, no bait and switch.

As such, any recruitment event would have to be approved. Since formal recruitment was run by the Campus Panhellenic, the CPC would have the responsibility for oversight (approval of recruitment events) of formal recruitment with the Fraternity and Soririty Affairs office having oversight of the CPC. I'm not sure how this works with COR, but if it was an "event", then it was to be registered. Also, I don’t think this applies to mixers or formals since they are not “open” per say.

** I want to point out that another good benefit of registering events is that there is little to no conflict between GLO’s philanthropy events.

[chi-o_cat]

Originally Posted by TSteven

To piggy back on this, don't most universities have some sort of oversight on recruitment events and or general social events?

This may have changed, but at Kentucky (for example), any campus wide social event or recruitment event – both formal and informal - was to be registered ** with and receive approval from Fraternity and Soririty Affairs (i.e. Greek Life office). The official event notice would include any “theme”, who were to be the guests ("open" event versus invite/guest list), location, etc. Thus “in theory”, anything that was considered “questionable” would not be approved. Also, a chapter could get into trouble if they varied from their official notice. In other words, no bait and switch.

As such, any recruitment event would have to be approved. Since formal recruitment was run by the Campus Panhellenic, the CPC would have the responsibility for oversight (approval of recruitment events) of formal recruitment with the Fraternity and Soririty Affairs office having oversight of the CPC. I'm not sure how this works with COR, but if it was an "event", then it was to be registered. Also, I don’t think this applies to mixers or formals since they are not “open” per say.

** I want to point out that another good benefit of registering events is that there is little to no conflict between GLO’s philanthropy events.

The article isn't 100% clear, but I get the impression that the event was not a a recruitment event- in the sense of meeting PNMs, but more a pre-recruitment workshop for the current members- skit rehearsal, conversation practice, etc. and dinner would be served (in this case, tacos) which sort of took off on a life of its own.

"On Aug. 19, the sorority held the event as part of its recruitment week training, according to the university’s administrative review. Ninety-three percent of the sorority members attended the event, and of those, 90 percent came in costume."

[navane]

Originally Posted by TSteven

To piggy back on this, don't most universities have some sort of oversight on recruitment events and or general social events?

This may have changed, but at Kentucky (for example), any campus wide social event or recruitment event – both formal and informal - was to be registered ** with and receive approval from Fraternity and Soririty Affairs (i.e. Greek Life office). The official event notice would include any “theme”, who were to be the guests ("open" event versus invite/guest list), location, etc. Thus “in theory”, anything that was considered “questionable” would not be approved. Also, a chapter could get into trouble if they varied from their official notice. In other words, no bait and switch.

Back when I worked for SDSU, I was Faculty Adviser to two sororities and a fraternity. Any event that was being held on campus, which was not already part of an Office of Greek Life program, had to be approved by me. So, while I didn't need to approve things like recruitment, Greek Week or tabling at new student orientation, the chapters did have to consult with me regarding fundraisers and other on-campus events.

For example, one sorority came to me for approval for their philanthropy which was a Cross-Fit style competition. I was concerned about the nature of the event and asked many questions about how it would be set-up, the equipment being used, the guest list, the no-alcohol policy, who would be leading the events, and what kind of first aid plan they had in place in case anyone became injured. Once I was satisfied with their answers, I signed off on it. Had they not been able to address my concerns in a satisfactory manner, or if they had come up with some inappropriate theme or activity, I would have not signed it and told them to bring the forms back once the issues were fixed.

[redryder27]

since cal state fullerton is a school of 40,000 students and a commuter school, i feel like it's going just to be a slap on the wrist. i attended cal state fullerton and sorority recruitment isn't that big of a deal. but when i did see the csuf panhellenic instagram, alpha delta pi wasn't included on the list of chapters being included in formal recruitment. also, this was probably in polish week, because recruitment starts this weekend. WOW, perfect timing for this to come out...

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by redryder27

since cal state fullerton is a school of 40,000 students and a commuter school, i feel like it's going just to be a slap on the wrist. i attended cal state fullerton and sorority recruitment isn't that big of a deal. but when i did see the csuf panhellenic instagram, alpha delta pi wasn't included on the list of chapters being included in formal recruitment. also, this was probably in polish week, because recruitment starts this weekend. WOW, perfect timing for this to come out...

I did it again. When I see "polish week", I read it as having to do with the culture relating to Poles and or Poland. So for a split second, I couldn’t figure out why they had a "Taco Tuesday" event during "Polish (the country/culture) week" amd agreed the timing was odd.

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