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Old 01-30-2002, 02:57 PM
SoCalGirl SoCalGirl is offline
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Thank you everyone for the positive responses to my post. I was kinda scared that I might tick some people off w/ it. I know that not everyone will agree w/ it.

I'm at a lost on how to help change it thought. Personally when I transfered to UCSD I knew that I was going to join Alpha Phi Omega, do community service and be quite content w/ a co-ed fraternity. I moved on campus and Sorority Spring Rush started three days later.

I saw the fliers and banners and for reasons that still baffle me, I became obsessed w/ Pi Phi. I knew I would be a Pi Phi. I belonged there! Yet I'd never met a Pi Phi. Hell I wasn't even 100% sure how to say it. Plus I figured they'd go by the nick name Beta since none of the other sororities have Beta in their name.

So info night comes and I meet some sisters from the chapter. They were so great that I was positive that at the end of the week I'd be chillin' w/ them. Then the first round of parties came and I met the rest of the chapter. Something didn't click w/ the rest of the girls. I was so sad. But I kept my chin up and spent the rest of the week agonizing over XO and SK.

It would have been sooo easy to have gone home after the Pi Phi party and given up. But I somehow had the sense to visit the other chapters and figure out what being Greek was all about.

I was asked to Pref Theta, XO and SK. Now, I'm a very happy SK Alumna.
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Old 01-30-2002, 03:25 PM
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hey!

hey socalgirl i know this is off topic, but im pmed you and i dont know if you got it... didnt you have a friend who was rushing at usd? what house did she end up going to? hey and my best friend in the world is a pike at ucsd!
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Old 01-30-2002, 03:44 PM
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Chantilly-

I just pm'd you back.
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Old 01-30-2002, 04:47 PM
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SoCalGirl,

Wow, I had to laugh at your last post, in a good way! I had no idea you wanted to be an APhiO at UCSD. You could've been my "brother" there!

I guess what happened to us was opposite. I didn't join an NPC group when I transferred for financial reasons. I'm glad there was Alpha Phi Omega; I enjoyed doing community service work and being part of a 2nd family.

Thank you for your great posts!
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Old 01-31-2002, 12:12 AM
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Re: another question about rush

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I was very involved in my university's panhel and quite a few people on GC have said something I don't understand. How can you list a chapter on your pref card if you didn't attend their prefs? At my school chapters only listed girls that were at their pref parties. If you weren't there you weren't listed. Isn't this essentially intentional single preferencing (suiciding)?
Aha! A question to which I know the answer!!

Two words: SNAP BIDDING.

Here's how it works, based very loosely on a true story

Nina P. Newmember goes to a school with three sororites. She goes through Rush and really loves ABC, thinks that DEF is okay and she'd like to join it if she's cut by her first choice, and GHI, which she doesn't click with at all. Nina drops GHI and goes to two pref parties, and of course prefs her first choice first, and so on. Her Rho Chi tells all the rushees to list her prefs and go home. She lists her two and goes back to take off her shoes, which look fantastic but are killing her.

Meanwhile, back at the sorority houses...

Nina loved ABC, but they've got other people in mind. Quota is 8 and she ends up #9 on their bid list. That also happens with DEF, only worse 'cause she's #10 on their list. GHI lists their people and she's not on their bid list at all 'cause she didn't attend their pref party.

HOWEVER

She IS on GHI's snap bid list, the list of people who went through Rush but didn't go back to all their parties. EVERYONE who went through Rush is on the snap bid lists for each of the three groups UNLESS they were cut by that particular group. This makes life no fun for the actives, because they now have to list everyone who came through their door and was not cut from Rush (notice I did not say dropped out of Rush) entirely on their snap bid list. Back to Nina and GHI...

ABC had a great year at Rush. They got everyone on their bid list. DEF got everyone on their list except for one, who ended up high on two bid lists and went ABC. They now have an open spot, which is filled by their #9 candidate. That #9 candidate was on the GHI list...GHI didn't have so great a year, only 5 people preferenced them. No way are they going to make quota...

Or are they?

Remember that snap bid list? Let's say Nina was first, second, third, or fourth on GHI's list. She was the one who cut them, although they thought she was all right. GHI has a problem, they can't get quota based on rushees' pref cards. They are now eligible to fill to quota based on their snap bid list, the list of people who for whatever reason did not attend their pref party. GHI extends a snap bid to Nina, who is high on their snap bid list but did not preference them.

Some problems occur with this method because quota is based on the number of women finishing rush rather than the number of women who actually preference. That sucks. This is a "perfect-world" example.

I really hope this made sense, it took me a really long time to write.

THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS: EVEN IF YOU AS A RUSHEE CUT THE SORORITY YOU MAY STILL GET A BID, BUT IF THEY CUT YOU THEN FORGET IT.

To Lyrelyre: I believe your chapter made a mistake in not listing people who neither attended your pref party nor were cut from Rush. Everyone who completes Rush has a chance at getting a bid, some peoples' chances are better than others. The thing is, just because you didn't list a chapter on your pref card doesn't mean you can't get a bid from them. In the opposite direction, the rushees list the sororities to which they did not go back for the sororities' snap bid list, so they can do more bid matching.

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Old 02-02-2002, 05:29 PM
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I think I get it. The PNM can list more houses than prefs attended as long as they are houses that she regretted. If they released her then that's it.

I don't think it's a common practice on my campus to list girls who didn't attend your prefs, if it even happens at all. For the last 3 years we haven't even taken any girls from our 3rd (last) list-if we have a rough rush this will be good to know!
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Old 02-02-2002, 06:32 PM
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I don't think there are any restrictions on which chapters a PNM can list on her preference cards. Of course, if she wasn't invited to preference at a chapter or didn't attend preference, the chances that she'll be on a chapter's bid list are slim to none.

So even if you go to pref at ABC and DEF, you can list GHI and JK on your card. Just don't expect a bid.

The NPC "green book" just says "The PNM should be encouraged to list on the preference card the names of all fraternities from which she is willing to accept a bid to membership". Doesn't say anything about only listing fraternities where you attended preference.

It also says about bid lists ".. the name of every PNM who is invited and attends a fraternity's final preference party should appear on the first or second bid list". Doesn't say anything about not listing others to whom you would like to extend bids.

So I guess the bottom line is, if you're a PNM you can list any chapter you want on your preference card. And a chapter can list anyone on its bid list as long as those who attended the preference party are listed somewhere on the first or second list.

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Old 02-03-2002, 03:21 PM
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We weren't allowed to do that. There was no such thing as cutting with "regrets," you just cut. Once you cut a house there was no going back. I think it was because of the huge number of girls rushing compared to the number of houses. Our school was strange. Usually a big school has a big greek population but we only had 4%. We had over 500 girls rushing for 5 houses my freshman year because one of the nationals was new and wasn't actually taking part in formal rush. You had to list both of your pref houses on your pref card, it was just a matter of who you put first. Basically you could only get a bid from one of the two houses you pref'd no matter what. We didn't even really have spring rush or cob while I was there. A couple of chapters who needed numbers could do some snap bidding here and there but that was it.
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