Terrorist rights???

[juniorgrrl]

Originally posted by Curiousgirl
When i saw images of al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners shackled, wearing blacked-out goggles, ear muffs and surgical masks, kneeling in open-air cages, i feel very, very bad and sad.

When I see countless mothers giving birth without their husbands there, children without parents, the ruins of a beautiful building complex reduced to rubble, the pentagon broken, all because those bastards were involved in some way with the 9/11 attacks, that makes me feel very very bad and sad.

An American boy was CANED in Singapore for vandalizing a car. These people belonged to a group that helped pull off an act of mass terrorisim and we feel bad becasue they're in a chain gang?!

[James]

Alright people, I am sending a giant eyeroll out to almost all of you .

A lot of you need to stop with the angry rhetoric because there is no point and it clouds the issues. Also, its a weknes of character if you need anger, rationaization, and self justification in order to do unpleasant things that need to be done. Its also dangerous to dehumanize your opponent. Which is what some of the terms you are using indicate.

There is very little value judgement here. Its not about right or wrong, thats too complicated and hard to defend. ITs realy about Us against Them. Lets keep it that way and stop trying to us words like deserve . . . all it does is open us up to attacks on the flaws in our our self justifications.

I agree with Arya that we need to just come out and say it like the way it is. We are like Machiavelli with a conscience given us by TV.

But I understand that most people need the propaganda and rah rah to feel better about themselves and the unpleasant things that need to be done. Kind of like a PC fantasy land. Weak, but again a trait that will allow me to make more money and be more successful as life goes on (sounds of cash registers in the background).

As a related but off topic Pessimists are often a lot more realistic in their assessments of reality, but optimists are more happy, if delusional.

[ZZ-kai-]

Bad and Sad? Are you freakin kiddin me? I can't believe anyone would feel that way. These are the guys who are the backbone of the fools who killed 3,000 of your brothers and sisters, and you feel bad? These same people were given bagels on their plane trip to Cuba and were de-liced because us Americans are humane. I'd say thats pretty nice of the US Military. Hmm, clean orange jump suits, heat, food, water, no more lice....thats pretty darn good.

I say fuk these guys.......I wish they would turn them over to the public, I'd be the first one in line to kick them in the junk.

Originally posted by Curiousgirl
When i saw images of al-Qaida and Taliban prisoners shackled, wearing blacked-out goggles, ear muffs and surgical masks, kneeling in open-air cages, i feel very, very bad and sad.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by James

I agree with Arya that we need to just come out and say it like the way it is. We are like Machiavelli with a conscience given us by TV.

Exactly, I mean I know the Indonesian want to get rid of the extremist, but they need the training and the arms (which they buy, we don't give them). Unfortunately, the LEahy amendment forbid our militray from training them and them buying arm. Why, because of East Timor, which, by the way, we were also party too. So let's cut this propogandan bs and help our friends. I encourage ya all to contact your local congressman and tell themto dump the leahy amendment.

[The1calledTKE]

Just give the terrorist the same rights that the terrorist gave the people in the towers, pentagon and planes. Simple enough.

[James]

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Originally posted by zntke711
Just give the terrorist the same rights that the terrorist gave the people in the towers, pentagon and planes. Simple enough.

[AlphaGam1019]

Originally posted by James
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[moe.ron]

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[AlphaGam1019]

Originally posted by Arya
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lol...do you also know any other out of this world languages?

[moe.ron]

Ngiyenza azi cishe ncane zulu

No, but I do know very little zulu

[dzrose93]

Originally posted by James
Alright people, I am sending a giant eyeroll out to almost all of you .

A lot of you need to stop with the angry rhetoric because there is no point and it clouds the issues. Also, its a weknes of character if you need anger, rationaization, and self justification in order to do unpleasant things that need to be done. Its also dangerous to dehumanize your opponent. Which is what some of the terms you are using indicate.

Um, HELLO, is there anyone on this board who actually thinks that these guys wouldn't take over that base and kill every American in it if they could? The simple fact remains that the prisoners are, in fact, dangerous and our military is dealing with them in an appropriate manner. THAT is the issue, and if I want to throw in some angry rhetoric then I will. It doesn't mean that I have a "weak" character or need to justify anything to myself just to appease my conscience. So please don't be so condescending, James. Some of us just choose not to over-analyze every move our government makes. That doesn't make us irrational idiots who eat up every piece of propaganda handed to us, nor does it make us overzealous patriots who bury our heads in the sand every time someone cries foul over an action our country has taken concerning foreign policy.

Personally, I'm tired of hearing the whining from all the liberals protesting that the prisoners' civil rights aren't being upheld. If they want to put them up at the Ritz, then so be it. Give them the keys to those cells and let them handle those men without our military present. We'll see how long it takes them to change their tunes when there aren't any bars or guns to separate them from the religious zealots who consider all Americans to be evil and better off dead.

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by James
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[Beef]

Forgive me for being angry with terrorists...

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by Arya


Exactly, I mean I know the Indonesian want to get rid of the extremist, but they need the training and the arms (which they buy, we don't give them). Unfortunately, the LEahy amendment forbid our militray from training them and them buying arm. Why, because of East Timor, which, by the way, we were also party too. So let's cut this propogandan bs and help our friends. I encourage ya all to contact your local congressman and tell themto dump the leahy amendment.

Dump the Leahy amendment? Are you serious?

The USA going into different countries and training various paramilitary factions is what got us into this mess in the first place. Pres. Bush senior worked with Osama Bin Ladin and his men extensively. Granted, ths was all during the cold war when we all assumed that we faced a much bigger threat in teh USSR, but we will be dealing with what came of that executive decision for decades to come.

And this is all not to mention the extreme damage that the USA did throughout Central America by using the same tactics- educating paramilitary groups which then turn around and either attack us (against which we retaliate) or against their own people (when we turn a blind eye as long as we get our oil and/or money and other goods).

The USA playing big brother might save us some short term strife, but in the long run I think it has been proven to be disastrou for all concerned.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by Beef
Forgive me for being angry with terrorists...

No one is saying don't be angry with terrorists, but htink it through.

We live in a country that is supposedly built on a system of law. Precedent is one of the pillars of our legal system. If we set a precedent of treating ANYONE, even these men (who are beneath scum IMHO) in a way that goes against our lwas, it will bite us in the butt, and we will lose the perceived high moral ground (the rest of the world dislikes us anyway, and as you can see it takes only one bad news report for us to go from America the victim to America the oppressor).