NPHC: Are they Hypocrites?

[mojo]

So, what do honorary members do. I mean, they didn't want to be a member before, but now they are suddenly loyal and dedicated. Yeah, okay.

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by mojo:
So, what do honorary members do. I mean, they didn't want to be a member before, but now they are suddenly loyal and dedicated. Yeah, okay.

Do you know every honorary member of every organization well enough to say that? I don't think so. There are any number or reasons why they were not "regularly" initiated into an NPHC organization, we shouldn't assume that they had no interest at all. I mean, why would one accept membership into an organization s/he has no interest?

Generally speaking, honorary members are USUALLY (this varies by organization) afforded the same benefits of non-honorary members, except they cannot vote on any organizational issue and they cannot hold office.

My question to you Mojo is why the apparent animosity toward some NPHC organizations' policy of extending honorary membership?

[prettypoodle6]

Originally posted by mojo:
So, what do honorary members do. I mean, they didn't want to be a member before, but now they are suddenly loyal and dedicated. Yeah, okay.

They do the same community service and programs that the rest of us do!!?? And who says that they didnt want to be a member before? Before what?

Just beause someone may have been made honorary, does not automatically mean that WE went and sought them out and NOW they are supposed to be loyal and dedicated to us.

One of the makeup artists for The Young and The Restless is an SGRho. She would always sport 'nailia and everyone on the set knew she was an SGRho. Actresses Victoria Rowell and Tanya Williams would talk with her about the sorority and what we were about ALL THE TIME. After a long while, THEY decided on their own that THEY wanted to pursue membership, so my soror put them in touch with the proper people.

So yeah, honorary members can and ARE loyal to the organization they've CHOOSEN. Cause whether we initiated contact or they did, ultimatly it was their decision to make the lifetime commitment.

[mojo]

I have no animosity toward honorary membership for it really doesn't concern me. I definitely do not have animosity toward any BGLO for I love all Brown people. Not only that my family is full of BGLO Greeks. What I want to know is why is there no animosity towards them, but such animosity toward "skaters" or whatever they are called.

12dn--A person could accept membership so the org could stop bugging them and because they don't have to do anything but say yes, so Why not.

prettypoodle--Before what you ask. Please, dont play games. Before they graduated college, before they were offered the free ride of joining without any work. Also, pretty if this makeup artist sought membership on her own. Why didn't she have to go through the same process as everone else. Was she too busy, too important, too famous, too much money? Your argument has no validity.

Is Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc the only BGLO that believes everyman/person is equal and does not exten honorary membership?

[33girl]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mojo:
[B]I have no animosity toward honorary membership for it really doesn't concern me. I definitely do not have animosity toward any BGLO for I love all Brown people. Not only that my family is full of BGLO Greeks. What I want to know is why is there no animosity towards them, but such animosity toward "skaters" or whatever they are called.

QUOTE]

Mojo, you are assuming 2 things:
1 - that no one is against the idea of honorary members (which I seriously doubt)
2 - that everyone is against people who didn't pledge (which I also seriously doubt)

I'm sure there are members who are against both these, for both these, and for one and against one. I think there are very few Greeks out there who PERSONALLY agree with every one of their org's national policies. This of course is not the same as upholding it.

For example, I personally do not agree with my organization's pledging process, but at the same time I would not do anything to put my chapter in jeopardy by breaking the rules. And at the same time, if I don't like it, I'm going to stay active, speak up, and express my concerns in a constructive way.

Also, you misread the story about the makeup artist. She was ALREADY a Sigma Gamma Rho and 2 of the actresses on the show became interested because she was always wearing letters.

[mojo]

The fact is if she sought membership, she should not have honorary. Whoever is being referred to.

[mojo]

DirectorDST,

Is this not the forum to ask members whether or not the extend honorary membership.

Based on their contributions to the world in order to pad the membership rolls?

Would I have to become a member to understand the logistics of honorary memberships or the aforementioned classes of members?

I apologize, for perhaps I did miss the point of prettypoodle's story. What accomplishments of a couple of not well known soap opera actresses can be considered "CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE WORLD".

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by mojo:


What accomplishments of a couple of not well known soap opera actresses can be considered "CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE WORLD".

Mojo you are beating a dead horse here!! I don't think it is anyone's place, outside of members of the respective organizations, to question who is 'worthy' for membership--be it honorary or otherwise, but to answer your question. I do know that Victoria Rowell has been an outspoken advocate for foster children. She is a former foster child and has done lots of good work for that cause. Now you may not think that significant enough for membership, but obviously Sigma Gamma Rho did!

Another thing...not all honorary members can go the 'regular route', as you put it. It is my understanding that membership in BGLOs is open to 2 classes of people: full time students at certian colleges/universities and graduates of colleges/universities. Even if a person has accomplished a lot and made a lot of contributions to the world (notice I didn't say made a lot of money), but did not go to college, they would not be eligible for membership. Members, correct me if I am wrong.
On the same topic, why do colleges and universities confer honorary degrees? Does the fact that there are people who did not go to my alma mater for 4 year like I did but have honorary degrees from it lessen the quality of my degree? I think not!

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Prettypoodle, DirectorDST et al..., you have answered this person's questions tactfully and more than once.

Did anyone stop to think that maybe Mojo is a flamer? That it is possible that Mojo is just saying things now to cause strife. The issue is so dead that the bones are bleached.

[mojo]

No strife, just seeking enlightenment!!

And actually, not all the questions have been answered. I do appreciate the patience. Be kind, please unwind!

[prettypoodle6]

Originally posted by mojo:
prettypoodle--Before what you ask. Please, dont play games. Before they graduated college, before they were offered the free ride of joining without any work. Also, pretty if this makeup artist sought membership on her own. Why didn't she have to go through the same process as everone else. Was she too busy, too important, too famous, too much money? Your argument has no validity.

OK, I am not quite sure what you were trying to say in the post above, but I want to clarify......

Earlier you made a statement where it appeared that you were a little bit skeptical of honorary members joining organizations and becoming loyal and dedicated ALL OF A SUDDEN. My reply to you was to show that their (honorary sorors) love and dedication to SGRho was in their hearts LONG before the national body made contact with them. So it wasnt like we just gave them an application and they sent in their dues and that was it. Most honorary members ARE dedicated to their org.

The fact is if she sought membership, she should not have honorary. Whoever is being referred to.

If you are talking about the Makeup artist, she's been a soror for years and she did come in the "standard" way. If you talking about the actresses, they could only be offered honorary membership because they do not have degrees (didnt I say this already?). Soror Rowell and Soror Williams have done sooooo much in the community as far as underpriviledged children, foster care, and cickle cell research. Now, these might not be issues that YOU think are important to be addressed, but my sorors do and so does Sigma Gamma Rho as a national body....that's why we welcomed them into our sisterhood!

I'm done - this thread is going in circles.....

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[BlueReign]

Backing my Soror up here, Pretty Poodle 6:

Amen, Soror -- well said!!


Mojo, I hope you have been INFORMED! If not keep posting and I'm sure one of my Sorors or one of my Greek sisters in the other great 3 sisterhoods of the Divine 9 will ENLIGHTEN YOU!!


BE POSITIVE!!

[mojo]

Originally posted by mojo:
No strife, just seeking enlightenment!!

And actually, not all the questions have been answered. I do appreciate the patience. Be kind, please unwind!

[mojo]

So why do you keep writing. Everyone is saying this is going in circles. Well, that statement is getting redundant.

Answer the question or move on!

Peace and Love Don't Push and Shove

[showstopper_1908]

I saw this old topic and there were a few things that I wanted to add to it. Just to set the record straight, the only reason why Oprah denied Honorary membership into a BGLO is because she did not want her choice to alienate women who are members of the other organizations. She wanted to become a member of an organization very badly (maybe because she has many family members in this organization) but she felt doing so would be bad public relations. I feel that is true to an extent, but she would have also been gaining much support at the same time. Another topic I wanted to cover was that I have been informed that some Honorary members did "pledge". This is information that I have heard by a member who claims to have pledged with a well known actress who is a member of a BGLO. I did not know this was possible, but now I am aware that it is.