GATech Fraternity Investigated for "Rapebait" Email

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Griffins&Quills

Just to clarify, I don't believe it's a culture problem with the school. That particular fraternity, ehhhhh, possibly, I can't attest positively in one direction or another. But to lump all of the fraternities and sororities there makes the bad PR even worse for the rest of the greek system.

Agreed.

And there's a good chance it's not even a problem among this fraternity, but rather, just this one member. After all, he did have to teach his chapter that dancing is fun and making out is "tongue on tongue"

[33girl]

I can't get too upset at this dude, because I have the feeling the only boobs he ever touches are with his avatar in World of Warcraft.

[Woof]

Regardless of the content (whatever its intention), I think it is sad that his brothers leaked this or showed other people, especially since it can get him and more importantly their chapter in lots of trouble. What happened to keeping things between brothers? I know that isn't the issue at hand, but that's always the first thing that pops into my mind when I see stuff like this.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Woof

Regardless of the content (whatever its intention), I think it is sad that his brothers leaked this or showed other people, especially since it can get him and more importantly their chapter in lots of trouble. What happened to keeping things between brothers? I know that isn't the issue at hand, but that's always the first thing that pops into my mind when I see stuff like this.

Um, because he's essentially promoting rape, and maybe his brothers aren't cool with that?

Just a thought.

Besides, all it takes is one brother to show it to a friend, then the friend shows it to another friend, that friend is disgusted by it, he shows it to a member of another fraternity, that fraternity leaks it to everyone...

You get the idea.

Don't put in writing (and send out in a mass email) something you wouldn't want the whole world to see.

[Woof]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Um, because he's essentially promoting rape, and maybe his brothers aren't cool with that?

Just a thought.

Besides, all it takes is one brother to show it to a friend, then the friend shows it to another friend, that friend is disgusted by it, he shows it to a member of another fraternity, that fraternity leaks it to everyone...

You get the idea.

I don't disagree on how it could have possibly gotten out. But I can't agree with saying its okay to leak it and get your brother in trouble (nationally) because 'his brothers aren't cool with that'.

I'm not saying what he wrote is okay. But if you have a problem with something your brother did, you deal with it internally and not share it with the world. We are suppose to have our brother's back, and help him see the wrong and make him a better person afterwards. I'm just saying showing it to non-brothers is very unbrotherly. Maybe some of us take our oaths a little too seriously...

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by Woof

I don't disagree on how it could have possibly gotten out. But I can't agree with saying its okay to leak it and get your brother in trouble (nationally) because 'his brothers aren't cool with that'.

I'm not saying what he wrote is okay. But if you have a problem with something your brother did, you deal with it internally and not share it with the world. We are suppose to have our brother's back, and help him see the wrong and make him a better person afterwards. I'm just saying showing it to non-brothers is very unbrotherly. Maybe some of us take our oaths a little too seriously...

I agree with you. I felt the same about the cunt-punt girl from Maryland. What a shitty thing to do to your chapter brother/sister when it could have been called out and handled internally.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Um, because he's essentially promoting rape, and maybe his brothers aren't cool with that?

Okay, it definitely objectifies women, but it definitely does not promote rape. It, in fact, tastelessly says, no raping. I'm not saying it was a great idea, but let's not read in things which aren't there.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Okay, it definitely objectifies women, but it definitely does not promote rape. It, in fact, tastelessly says, no raping. I'm not saying it was a great idea, but let's not read in things which aren't there.

Referring to women as "rapebait" doesn't promote rape?

[Sassmofi]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Okay, it definitely objectifies women, but it definitely does not promote rape. It, in fact, tastelessly says, no raping. I'm not saying it was a great idea, but let's not read in things which aren't there.

The email didn't promote rape by force. The email did list the steps to complete date rape with premeditation.


One cannot consent to sex if one is intoxicated. The level of intoxication where on loses the ability to consent is a grey area. This is why people should not have sex with drunk random hook ups. It is a very dangerous area. It is one thing to have a friends with benefits scenario who pops over after a drunken night out for some fun as there is usually familiarity gained when sober to know when a boundary has been crossed. It is a whole other ball of wax when you (general) keep supplying drinks to a person with the intention of getting them too drunk to rebuff sexual advances.

The email described plying a person with alcohol and keeping them distracted so they don't know how much they have drank. The email suggest boundary pushing tasks to test the intoxication of the person with grinding one’s penis on the person, kiss on the cheek, kiss on the neck, full on making out. There are more suggestions of plying with more alcohol until the person is agreeable to the intimate contact. Just because physical force was not used does not mean rape did not happen. In addition, the author is trying to groom the others to be like him.: “Hey, I am cool. If you want to be like me, this is totally acceptable/normal behaviour.” The email was disturbing on many levels.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Woof

Regardless of the content (whatever its intention), I think it is sad that his brothers leaked this or showed other people, especially since it can get him and more importantly their chapter in lots of trouble. What happened to keeping things between brothers? I know that isn't the issue at hand, but that's always the first thing that pops into my mind when I see stuff like this.

Who says his brothers leaked it?

[ChioLu]

My work computer won't let me go to TFM.
Huffington Post picked up the story too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4063101.html

This Phi Kappa Tau chapter has a response on their website: http://gtphitau.org/

Side note: Georgia Tech is a university that attracts a large percentage of males due to it's Top 5 Engineering College. The ratio of men to women is about 5 males to every 1 female student. (I am, in no way, defending his behavior. Just adding the info as it may have factored into his mindset.)
Living in Atlanta for 10+ years, I always thought the GA Tech ratio was so strange, considering the single female to single male ratio for the city of Atlanta is the reverse -- 5 single women to every 1 single guy.

[ZTAngel]

Originally Posted by ChioLu

Side note: Georgia Tech is a university that attracts a large percentage of males due to it's Top 5 Engineering College. The ratio of men to women is about 5 males to every 1 female student.

I live in Atlanta and have heard this little saying about Georgia Tech from numerous female alumni of the school, "The odds are good, but the goods are odd." lol....my husband got his doctorate from Tech so this makes me laugh.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by ZTAngel

I live in Atlanta and have heard this little saying about Georgia Tech from numerous female alumni of the school, "The odds are good, but the goods are odd." lol....my husband got his doctorate from Tech so this makes me laugh.

I had a student that transferred from there and I asked her why she transferred. She just said "I thought I could handle being that popular, and I just couldn't and still get any work done."

[Griffins&Quills]

Originally Posted by ChioLu

Side note: Georgia Tech is a university that attracts a large percentage of males due to it's Top 5 Engineering College. The ratio of men to women is about 5 males to every 1 female student. (I am, in no way, defending his behavior. Just adding the info as it may have factored into his mindset.)
Living in Atlanta for 10+ years, I always thought the GA Tech ratio was so strange, considering the single female to single male ratio for the city of Atlanta is the reverse -- 5 single women to every 1 single guy.

The Georgia Tech ratio is about 3:1, not 5:1. However, I do agree that it could've factored into his mindset.

[Griffins&Quills]

Evidently he left is email open/logged in on a library computer where someone read the email. I also doubt that it was intended as a poor attempt at satire sadly.