Trusting the system when there is bad situation

[PinkPaisley]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Some info for you re: cuts:

I won't get into all the technical info that goes into release figures, but with the use of RFM, statistically the heaviest cuts ARE made in earlier rounds (as chapters have a specific percentage/number of PNMs that they must release based on a formula that takes into account their past recruitment returns, size, and a few other factors.) This also leads to fewer "cut right before Pref" moments as the chapters have released more PNMs earlier on.

Just wanted to point that out so you can prepare yourselves for the possibility of some cuts early on. The average PNM is cut rather heavy early on, but less so as recruitment progresses.

I do not think I stated that very well- I meant the group I was mentioning early may have to release less people than others in the beginning. Cuts are not a concern, I mean no one likes to get cut- but it is just a given in the process--not everyone will like you, want you, have room for you. Thanks again for your input.

[DubaiSis]

No, you stated it fine. She was just reiterating the process for the benefit of lurkers and others who might be reading in.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

Are all campuses using RFM now?

RFM is now pretty much standard practice. Every school with a Panhellenic formal recruitment of almost any type is using it or working toward using it (there are some who have held out and are just now implementing in the past 2 years.)

Per the RFM guru in my region, only like 5% of schools in the country do not use RFM. They are mostly schools using extremely MSR (minimally structured) or COR recruitment structures (i.e. those schools who have like 2 chapters on campus where having a full out FR with RFM is counterproductive.) Also true of schools who don't have a functioning Panhellenic (like, the campus is all local or there are all locals and one NPC.)

Chances are very good that every PNM on GC is going through at a school that uses RFM.

[FSUZeta]

That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Titchou

The answer to your question My daughter is concerned about what would happen to new members if something like this did happen. Would there be other options for her in this situation? is covered in the NPC Manual of Information, aka The Green Book. According to NPC rules (and I assume you mean NPC, not NPHC) none of the new members would be eligible to pledge another group until the next formal recruitment period for that campus. And the initiated members, of course, would not ever be eligible to join another NPC group.

Sidetracking, but this is actually not true. I wanted to correct this for anyone else reading.

From the most recent MOI (Green Book) ---

Women who have been pledged but not yet initiated into a chapter whose charter has been rescinded or relinquished or of a colony that has been dissolved shall be eligible to pledge another NPC fraternity immediately following the official release by the NPC fraternity. {Page 31 under Unanimous Agreements}

In other words, if you're a new member (as in, you have NOT been initiated) and your chapter closes, you are eligible to pledge another group IMMEDIATELY.

You don't have to wait a year. If XYZ closes on Monday and you're one of their NMs, you are free to attend ABCs recruitment event Tuesday night if you so choose.

Not trying to be nitpicky but I'm all about people having correct info.

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

Are all campuses using RFM now?

There are still a decent number of campuses that have one or two NPC chapters only. In those situations, RFM just doesn't make a lot of sense.

As an example, there are 12 chapters (roughly 9%) in Gamma Phi Beta that do not use RFM, and only one of those is on a campus with more than two NPC chapters.

[Sciencewoman]

^^^ Is it Indiana?

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by Sciencewoman

^^^ Is it Indiana?

No, Indiana actually does use RFM. The school I was referring to, that to the best of my knowledge does not use RFM yet has 4 NPC chapters, is Alma College.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by Sciencewoman

^^^ Is it Indiana?

I had to laugh. People always assume it's Indiana when recruitment dysfunction comes up. But no, in this case, we are not the special snowflake.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Sidetracking, but this is actually not true. I wanted to correct this for anyone else reading.

From the most recent MOI (Green Book) ---

Women who have been pledged but not yet initiated into a chapter whose charter has been rescinded or relinquished or of a colony that has been dissolved shall be eligible to pledge another NPC fraternity immediately following the official release by the NPC fraternity. {Page 31 under Unanimous Agreements}

In other words, if you're a new member (as in, you have NOT been initiated) and your chapter closes, you are eligible to pledge another group IMMEDIATELY.

You don't have to wait a year. If XYZ closes on Monday and you're one of their NMs, you are free to attend ABCs recruitment event Tuesday night if you so choose.

Not trying to be nitpicky but I'm all about people having correct info.

From the MOI that I have:

If through the primary recruitment process a potential member accepts a bid and then has her pledge broken by an NPC fraternity or breaks her pledge, then she is ineligible to be pledged to another NPC fraternity on the same campus until the beginning of the next year’s primary membership recruitment period.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Titchou

From the MOI that I have:

If through the primary recruitment process a potential member accepts a bid and then has her pledge broken by an NPC fraternity or breaks her pledge, then she is ineligible to be pledged to another NPC fraternity on the same campus until the beginning of the next year’s primary membership recruitment period.

That's probably a different section. It doesn't particularly mention a chapter closure. This paragraph just describes what happens if a woman de pledges or is depledged.

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by Titchou

From the MOI that I have:

If through the primary recruitment process a potential member accepts a bid and then has her pledge broken by an NPC fraternity or breaks her pledge, then she is ineligible to be pledged to another NPC fraternity on the same campus until the beginning of the next year’s primary membership recruitment period.

That's not the most current version. The 2013 MOI has two additional sections added to the Panhellenic Compact. KSUViolet quoted #12, which did not exist prior to the 2013 version.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by pbear19

That's not the most current version. The 2013 MOI has two additional sections added to the Panhellenic Compact. KSUViolet quoted #12, which did not exist prior to the 2013 version.

Page 132 of the edition you quote has the same verbiage I posted.

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Page 132 of the edition you quote has the same verbiage I posted.

Oh, for heaven's sake. Yes, the section you quoted is in the 2013 edition. It's on page 132, and it's on page 31. But it doesn't nullify or otherwise trump the section that KSUViolet quoted, which is, in fact, the correct and applicable section to the hypothetical question that was posed.

You quoted the MOI just fine. But you quoted the wrong section.

[Titchou]

I think it's conflicting because one is in the UA section and the other refers to the UA section (out to the side). They need to clean it up is the point I'm trying to make - thank you so very much!