RFMs and QAs

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

So you're basically sick to death of the 95 percent of your initiates who don't do anything with their organizations after they graduate.

Yeah, that would piss me off, too.

That would be correct, but particularly the ones who don't have time for us until they have a college aged daughter. Then they want us to jump up and do everything for them. I'm tired of dealing with the calls about how snowflake legacy got cut even though mom "was" an XYZ. Never mind that she hasn't bothered to even pay dues for a couple of decades.

We're all busy. We all have lives. Most involved alumnae I know have kids. I had four of them and still managed to volunteer even in the years we lived in BFE. There are ample opportunities to volunteer that don't require your physical presence.

Deciding to be inactive is one thing. It's the coming back and giggling about how inactive you've been and expecting special snowflake treatment that sticks in my craw.

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

That would be correct, but particularly the ones who don't have time for us until they have a college aged daughter. Then they want us to jump up and do everything for them. I'm tired of dealing with the calls about how snowflake legacy got cut even though mom "was" an XYZ. Never mind that she hasn't bothered to even pay dues for a couple of decades.

We're all busy. We all have lives. Most involved alumnae I know have kids. I had four of them and still managed to volunteer even in the years we lived in BFE. There are ample opportunities to volunteer that don't require your physical presence.

Deciding to be inactive is one thing. It's the coming back and giggling about how inactive you've been and expecting special snowflake treatment that sticks in my craw.

Which is not at all what the OP did.

[DubaiSis]

SECKDLady, there is a lot here, the good the bad and the ugly. I would start by only trying to understand the big picture and not get into the nitty gritty too quickly. The 10,000 foot version is that all the chapters have a set percentage of rushees they are allowed to invite to each round of rush based on prior performance. That number varies by recruitment strength from chapter to chapter. What it means on the ground is that most chapters have to cut far more girls in the early rounds than they used to back in the olden days. The good news is it doesn't give rushees false hope about their chances in the most sought after chapters. The bad news is it doesn't allow much room for those most sought after chapters to give out invitations to very many maybes.

And the 5 or so years later result seems to be dramatically bigger pledge classes with fewer dropouts from rush and expansion going crazy all over the country, particularly on traditional Southern campuses where pre-RFM there were a lot of girls who would get to the late stages of rush before seriously getting cut, then lose their favorites and drop out completely. Obviously that still happens, but I think 200 girls out of 1200 at Bama means a LOT more girls are seeing it through once they get their second round invitations and have time to fall in love with some new chapters.

Quota additions is a hot button issue, but in short, if you attend all of the preference parties to which you were invited, and list all 3 on your preference card, you are guaranteed a bid. Even if you were only invited to 1 preference party, you are still guaranteed a place in that chapter. What that means on the ground is if quota is 40, it is not uncommon for chapters to get 42, 45, even 50.

I hope that helps!

[KD4Me]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

That would be correct, but particularly the ones who don't have time for us until they have a college aged daughter. Then they want us to jump up and do everything for them. I'm tired of dealing with the calls about how snowflake legacy got cut even though mom "was" an XYZ. Never mind that she hasn't bothered to even pay dues for a couple of decades.

We're all busy. We all have lives. Most involved alumnae I know have kids. I had four of them and still managed to volunteer even in the years we lived in BFE. There are ample opportunities to volunteer that don't require your physical presence.

Deciding to be inactive is one thing. It's the coming back and giggling about how inactive you've been and expecting special snowflake treatment that sticks in my craw.

Many very involved alumnae, even those who serve at the national level, do have times in their lives when they are not involved with the organizations. Life happens. When something sparks an interest and they come back, it doesn't do any good to jump on them for having been gone.

Welcome, SECKDlady.

[MaryPoppins]

NOTE QA only applies to SOME RFM campuses, not all.

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Quota additions is a hot button issue, but in short, if you attend all of the preference parties to which you were invited, and list all 3 on your preference card, you are guaranteed a bid. Even if you were only invited to 1 preference party, you are still guaranteed a place in that chapter. What that means on the ground is if quota is 40, it is not uncommon for chapters to get 42, 45, even 50.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by DGTess

Which is not at all what the OP did.

I'm sorry but I haven't been very active with my sorority alumnae organization the last ten years. But I have a renewed interest in sorority life now that my daughter is heavily involved in recruitment at one of the most competitive universities says to me that 1) I haven't been involved 2) Now tell me everything about RFM and QAs because now my daughter is involved.

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

That would be correct, but particularly the ones who don't have time for us until they have a college aged daughter. Then they want us to jump up and do everything for them. I'm tired of dealing with the calls about how snowflake legacy got cut even though mom "was" an XYZ. Never mind that she hasn't bothered to even pay dues for a couple of decades.

We're all busy. We all have lives. Most involved alumnae I know have kids. I had four of them and still managed to volunteer even in the years we lived in BFE. There are ample opportunities to volunteer that don't require your physical presence.

Deciding to be inactive is one thing. It's the coming back and giggling about how inactive you've been and expecting special snowflake treatment that sticks in my craw.

IMO there's a big difference between "I haven't been an active alum & I'd like to learn about these new NPC policies/procedures." and "I haven't been an active alum, how could you drop my daughter???"

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by Zillini

IMO there's a big difference between "I haven't been an active alum & I'd like to learn about these new NPC policies/procedures." and "I haven't been an active alum, how could you drop my daughter???"

Perhaps. But right now "I'm not an active alumna" is making my head explode between dealing with lack of alumnae recruitment help and fielding uninvolved momma bear calls (three just today.) So this is a real hot button issue for me.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

How nice that you finally remembered your sorority again now that it could benefit your daughter. Sorry all, but I'm sick to death of alumnae like this.

Why don't you use the search function to find these answers that have been posted about And explained ad infinitum.

Remember to type this response for every username that deserves it.

I can understand how the first impression of the OP's post could warrant this response.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

So you're basically sick to death of the 95 percent of your initiates who don't do anything with their organizations after they graduate.

Yeah, that would piss me off, too.

Yep.

And cultures only change from within.

[AZTheta]

SECKDLady:

the best way I can explain RFM, QA, etc is this: it's voodoo.

I'm joking.

Actually, RFM is a complex mathematically based system of managing recruitment invitations and all that is entailed with formal recruitment; that is the simplest explanation and the best way I've been able to understand it. AZ-AlphaXi and AOIIAngel and thetygerlily (and many others) have been trying to explain it to me for quite some time and I still don't fully grasp it. That is why I say it is voodoo (okay I will stop with the jokes).

How exciting that your daughter is VP Recruitment for her chapter! Send her a care package when it's over, she's going to need it. And I bet she could answer a lot of questions for you when she's finished with recruitment.

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

Perhaps. But right now "I'm not an active alumna" is making my head explode between dealing with lack of alumnae recruitment help and fielding uninvolved momma bear calls (three just today.) So this is a real hot button issue for me.

Fair enough. But that's not OP. Her daughter is already rushed, pledged and initiated.

And don't look at me. I only have boys. It's a total sausage fest at my house.

Good luck with recruitment GoG. It's stressful.

thank you for clarifying. Thank you to all who advise during rush...I have seen the advisors who stay up all night several nights in a row and the sororities are fortunate to have you!

[Titchou]

As far as I know, all groups have the NPC Manual of Information ( aka Green Book) on the member only part of their web sites. I strongly recommend you download it and read it = verbatim. You'll learn almost everything you need to know.

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by Titchou

As far as I know, all groups have the NPC Manual of Information ( aka Green Book) on the member only part of their web sites. I strongly recommend you download it and read it = verbatim. You'll learn almost everything you need to know.

Thanks for the tip. I'm starting on a CAB in January and that is very helpful.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

Perhaps. But right now "I'm not an active alumna" is making my head explode between dealing with lack of alumnae recruitment help and fielding uninvolved momma bear calls (three just today.) So this is a real hot button issue for me.

I def understand this frustration. I've tried to find advisors for collegiate chapters and been turned down over and over...tried to get a few of the 100+ alumnae in a town to have 3 or 4 alum meetings a year. As an alum panhellenic officer we have, EVERY year, Greek mamas who haven't lifted a finger for 20 or 30 years until DD comes to our tea.
But I do try to slap a smile onto my face (or into my voice) that says "welcome back, we missed you and need you."
I have seen where these women get re-involved at that point (yes, even when DD does not pledge mama's sorority) and serve on regional and national levels.