Non Member Wearing Badge

[FSUZeta]

this is as exciting as any rush thread! and i agree, you handled the situation with grace and class.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

this is as exciting as any rush thread! and i agree, you handled the situation with grace and class.

It is! I'm like "oh I hope she responds and she is interested".

I am also interested in "hearing" how this goes. She sounds like she would make an amazing addition to the Gamma Phi Beta sisterhood.

[Tulip86]

Wow, you handled that witch such grace, I'm not sure if I could have managed that!

I'm very curious to see hear if she's interested!

[DrPhil]

This is interesting and you were very kind.

lane swerve/

As for Delta, I would have told the woman that I truly respect her love for her mother. Then I would explain (what she probably already knows which is) that wearing such things is reserved for members of DST. Then I would have said that, if she is interested, she can pursue alumnae chapter membership and (if this woman is awesome) I would offer to write her a letter of recommendation. Chances are, given her education level and that she is a Delta legacy who is wearing her mother's Delta item, she already knows about alumnae chapter membership. But telling her is worth a try. She may not be interested in (possibly) becoming a member. If she declined pursuing membership in DST through an alumnae chapter, my response to her would change accordingly all while still being professional and respecting her as a Delta legacy who is celebrating her mother's (my Soror) memory.

As an aside, I have known college students who wore their deceased parents' NPHC GLO items. That was handled much differently because 1) these were college students; and 2) it was seen as an intentional mockery when you walk up to a group of collegiate NPHC GLO members wearing an item with a "it was my deceased father's/mother's item and now it's mine--I dare you say something" smirk on your face.

/lane swerve

[amIblue?]

Keep us posted on how it turns out. I think this could end up being a very wonderful story.

[Titchou]

I think she meant that thet AIs advised as well and were not just regular alumnae members.

[SWTXBelle]

I'm sorry if I was unclear.

Naraht had seemed to indicate that becoming an adviser might be a solution to the issue of a non-member wearing the badge - I was clarifying that only initiated members may wear the badge. Chapter advisers would be members - but it is possible that a faculty adviser might not be, and so I didn't want to unilaterally say that ALL advisers are necessarily members.

I also spoke of alumnae initiates who, after initiation, became chapter advisers.

Is that now clear as mud?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'm sorry if I was unclear.

Naraht had seemed to indicate that becoming an adviser might be a solution to the issue of a non-member wearing the badge - I was clarifying that only initiated members may wear the badge. Chapter advisers would be members - but it is possible that a faculty adviser might not be, and so I didn't want to unilaterally say that ALL advisers are necessarily members.

I also spoke of alumnae initiates who, after initiation, became chapter advisers.

Is that now clear as mud?

Clear as mud.

It appears that we are working from different terminology. It appears that in Gamma Phi Beta that Chapter Advisers and Faculty Advisers are two separate groups, as opposed to the experience with my fraternity where Faculty Advisers are a subset of the Chapter Advisers.

So this woman could become a faculty adviser to the G Phi B chapter without being initiated and thus still not have the right to wear the badge. After being a Alumni Initiate, she could be either of the types of Advisers.

(And since chapter advisers always are G Phi B members, there are advisers who attend rituals)

Do I have the correct understanding now?

[SWTXBelle]

Yes, to the best of my knowledge and experience.

I will try to root around the G Phi B website to see if I can find anything definitive, or any of my sisters who can quote chapter and verse can certainly weigh in on the standing rules regarding advisers.

[Sciencewoman]

I'll chime in on this lane swerve...Faculty Advisor is not a Gamma Phi Beta position; it's not a position title we use. We use Chapter Advisor and then we have various advisors to exec./other elected positions, if enough alumnae are available to serve.

However, Faculty Advisor is an official role that my university requires for all recognized campus organizations. In my case, I do that role on top of my internal GPB advisory board position. I have to sign off when the chapter wants to reserve campus facilities for events, I am sent their grades each semester, and I'm supposed to make sure they're following campus policies. I have a faculty friend who is a Delta Zeta, and she is their Faculty Advisor. Neither of us is THE main, internal Chapter Advisor.

I don't think the university cares about the affiliation of the Faculty Advisor...they just want someone on staff to oversee the groups/be the point person. There are probably universities that don't even require this role, but I don't know. I would think that GLOs would want a member serving in this role whenever possible. As far as official GPB advisors go, they must be members, and members who initiated as undergraduates or through AI are equal in status, rights, etc. There is no differentiation once you're initiated. And, only initiated members are allowed to wear our badge...and that swerves us back to the dilemma....

[SWTXBelle]

Thanks, Sciencewoman - faculty advisors have been required by the two universities with which I have worked but I could not remember if they were an IHQ requirement as well.

[Sciencewoman]

No, I was at our Convention and now it's July 4th...I plan to try to set it up next week.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Faculty advisors are not an IH requirement and in some cases chapters (and alumnae) see them as "spying" for the school.