Rho Gamma Policy

[Titchou]

What do they call them at her school? Rho Gamma isn't an NPC term - they did away with that kind of thing and just call them recruitment counselors. Some campuses have come up with other terminology - rho Gamma, pi chi, whatever. It's campus specific so who cares but that campus????

[ggforever]

I am concerned with having an initiation ceremony for recruitment counselors. It is not a sorority. The position was created to help pnms through the recruitment process not form another house. Plus, having them disaffiliate from their houses at the beginning of summer seems a little long and counter productive. A review of the MOI might help.

[Titchou]

Well, the MOI (edition 17 from earlier this year) has a recruitment counselor ceremony. It also recommends disaffiliaton for 30 days prior to recruitment. Both are recommendations and not unanimous agreements. I am pleased that so many have strong opinions about what NPC should and should not do. Hopefully those who are so interested will find a way to volunteer on a national level with their organizations and eventually get on their delegations in order to enact the changes they hold so dear.

[ggforever]

To me a "ceremony" is different from an "initiation" but maybe just semantics. However, having shirts that are worn at times other than recruitment seems to be forming a group with an entirely new identity rather than a temporary group. Just my opinion.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by ggforever

To me a "ceremony" is different from an "initiation" but maybe just semantics. However, having shirts that are worn at times other than recruitment seems to be forming a group with an entirely new identity rather than a temporary group. Just my opinion.

And you are certainly welcome to it whether it is valid or not!

[mandyk01]

Originally Posted by ggforever

To me a "ceremony" is different from an "initiation" but maybe just semantics.

True, maybe it is just semantics but still it is a temporary position so what exactly are you pledging to? Maybe a better way to handle it is to take an oath of office (since most RGs are chosen or elected by a panel or their chapter). Taking an oath of office assumes you are no longer held to the oath after you are out of office. Plus there are so many rules an RG has to abide by maybe it would help them maintain order by saying and repeating an oath?

[edmund]

The student affairs director in me is cringing over this. I hope you are not on my campus.

[brogamma2011]

Okay, I really do understand where everyone is coming from. I am sincerely sorry that this seemed like an abuse of power/money. The reason I even thought about using our IFC budget is for the part that we lose. Student Senate is so particular. We are given this 1,000 that has certain uses. We cannot give any leftovers to philanthropy. We would if we could. The 400 or so remaining was for food, printing, a contest we no longer sponsor, leftover money from our new officer retreat, leftover money from having speakers, leftover money from Summer Orientation 2011, and leftover money from for apparel. We saved a lot on apparel this year, so we had a lot left over. We don't have any more apparel to buy at all, and we're just going to lose all of it, so I asked and it was fine to buy a shirt to benefit someone else. It had a purpose, whether its official Rho Gamma or not. Let's end this, please, because this blew up way bigger than it needed to be.

[justgo_withit]

Originally Posted by brogamma2011

We cannot give any leftovers to philanthropy. We would if we could.

Why not? It seems difficult to believe that any student government would say "No! Don't give your leftover money to charity!" If the answer is "because then they'd give us less money next year because we didn't use all of it for what we said we would this year," which is my first thought, then you absolutely could've given it to philanthropy.

[brogamma2011]

Originally Posted by justgo_withit

Why not? It seems difficult to believe that any student government would say "No! Don't give your leftover money to charity!" If the answer is "because then they'd give us less money next year because we didn't use all of it for what we said we would this year," which is my first thought, then you absolutely could've given it to philanthropy.

I just said this. The money is allotted to certain costs. We're lucky enough we get money from Student Senate; in fact, we're getting less next year. Not because we didn't spend it all, just because we are. Today is July 1 and this year we only got 500. Has nothing to do with the money from last year. We used what we could, and now it's gone. No big deal. Please people, I got the approval, so just grow up and back down.

Senate doesn't allow money to budget for philanthropy because it doesn't represent the service aspect; it's just easy money they would give away. People like seeing Greeks do work and earn the money, not just take it from your Senate budget. Everything we buy regardless needs Senate Approval, so since it was under Apparel, we're fine.

[33girl]

But it wasn't apparel FOR ANYONE FROM YOUR SCHOOL, FOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR GREEK SYSTEM. Shit, call me up next year if you have leftover funds because there's a really cute pair of jeans I want.

The philanthropy story is kind of ridiculous and I really don't believe it, but let's say it's true. Did you think for a minute about other ways you could have used this money to benefit IFC? Prepaying speaker fees, stocking up on computer supplies, printing and sending an all-Greek alumni newsletter, doing an alumni ANYTHING?

No one is going to "back down" because no one can believe that you don't understand what you did was WRONG.

[justgo_withit]

Originally Posted by brogamma2011

I just said this. The money is allotted to certain costs. We're lucky enough we get money from Student Senate; in fact, we're getting less next year. Not because we didn't spend it all, just because we are. Today is July 1 and this year we only got 500. Has nothing to do with the money from last year. We used what we could, and now it's gone. No big deal. Please people, I got the approval, so just grow up and back down.

Senate doesn't allow money to budget for philanthropy because it doesn't represent the service aspect; it's just easy money they would give away. People like seeing Greeks do work and earn the money, not just take it from your Senate budget. Everything we buy regardless needs Senate Approval, so since it was under Apparel, we're fine.

Whether or not you got approval isn't the point. Posters are incredulous (GCers, insert some other word if "incredulous" isn't how you feel) of this because the money was for IFC, your cousin has nothing to do with IFC, so spending it on a shirt for her regardless of whose approval you got is wrong. That's the point people are trying to make that you don't seem to get because you keep saying "no it's fine, we're fine".

As for the philanthropy part, okay then, that makes sense. Then you should've given it back to them and not tried to find ways to spend it "cause if we don't we lose it".

As for "grow up and back down"...lol. Good luck with that one, champ. No one has given you any sort of immature response, so I'm actually not sure why you want us to grow up- pretty sure older people are even less likely to think that you wasting money is totally fine.

ETA Damn, people all over than one.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by brogamma2011

Okay, I really do understand where everyone is coming from. I am sincerely sorry that this seemed like an abuse of power/money. The reason I even thought about using our IFC budget is for the part that we lose. Student Senate is so particular. We are given this 1,000 that has certain uses. We cannot give any leftovers to philanthropy. We would if we could. The 400 or so remaining was for food, printing, a contest we no longer sponsor, leftover money from our new officer retreat, leftover money from having speakers, leftover money from Summer Orientation 2011, and leftover money from for apparel. We saved a lot on apparel this year, so we had a lot left over. We don't have any more apparel to buy at all, and we're just going to lose all of it, so I asked and it was fine to buy a shirt to benefit someone else. It had a purpose, whether its official Rho Gamma or not. Let's end this, please, because this blew up way bigger than it needed to be.

We understand that IFC would lose the $400 if they didn't use it. What nobody is understanding is why you didn't use your own personal money to buy a personal gift for your cousin.

Even if the left over money is okay to use for apparel, I'm sure your advisors would explain that it is for IFC apparel, not for a Rho Gamma shirt for an NPC member at another campus.

[FSUZeta]

I have a harder time believing that permission was granted from the proper authorities for you to make a personal purchase.

[edmund]

As a student affairs professional, I will tell you - Brogamma did, was unethical. Don't argue the point, you seem to miss the point that the money was intended to stay on your campus.