Former Penn State Coach Arrested

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Ummm, you're the first person to bring up Pitt.

Obviously, Sandusky deserves nothing but to be sodomized with a burning chainsaw, but this graduate assistant is runner-up in the Asshole Department as well. Who sees what he saw and doesn't try to intervene or at least scream? In a situation like that, you call 911 and not your dad. He was 28 and not 22. He knew better. There appears to be this undying loyalty to the organization. If Joe Paterno's name is sullied because of this, so be it.

It's 8 known victims now...but I imagine that more are going to come forward. I hope they are getting all the love and support in the world right now.

I haven't read/heard his full testimony, but $10 says he called his dad and asked what he should do and dad suggested that he do nothing, not wanting to risk such a prestigious GAship and all.

So many people looking the other way here.

[Mevara]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Ummm, you're the first person to bring up Pitt.

Obviously, Sandusky deserves nothing but to be sodomized with a burning chainsaw, but this graduate assistant is runner-up in the Asshole Department as well. Who sees what he saw and doesn't try to intervene or at least scream? In a situation like that, you call 911 and not your dad. He was 28 and not 22. He knew better. There appears to be this undying loyalty to the organization. If Joe Paterno's name is sullied because of this, so be it.

It's 8 known victims now...but I imagine that more are going to come forward. I hope they are getting all the love and support in the world right now.

To make matters worse since many are from dysfunctional homes they may not all get the help they need; especially those children who don't come forward.

[als463]

Originally Posted by honeychile

If my daddy was still alive, this scandal would have killed him. He was so torn between Pitt & Penn State to begin with, but incredibly furious when he heard of pedophilia.

The one article said, "We’ve got to stop treating football as a religion." Every person who even heard about these atrocities is as guilty as the man or men who perpetuated them.

And please don't insult my intelligence by saying this is a Pitt-PSU thing. It's an issue of responsibility and moral conduct, period.

honeychile, I def. don't think this is about a Pitt-PSU thing. You are 100% right about this! I am disgusted. I went as far as pulling everything PSU-related off my FB page because I am that upset. I called my mother to request she not buy me anything PSU-related for Christmas or my birthday. I know people are going to say that it's not the whole school and this or that but, truthfully--this whole time I have defined much of who I am by the education I have received at such an incredible university. When you base a lot of who you are on something like that and this happens--you feel as though part of your identity has been ripped from you (and I'm not even one of the poor victims). I cry as I write this. This is a sad day.

[AOII Angel]

Just wow. Hard to believe these people could just look the other way while this went on. the Second Mile needs to come under harsh scrutiny as well. Poor boys.

[southbymidwest]

IF these allegations are true, I would bet that Coach Sandusky has been up to no good for decades, and that there are many more innocents who have suffered, but have not yet been heard from.

This whole scenario stinks-how the hell could Sandusky have enough of a comfort level to bring boys to the university to abuse them? Did he have that much power that he thought that no one would believe these kids, or that no one would dare turn him in? And if someone did turn him in, he could count on the backing of higher ups? OR did he want to get caught?

As to whether it is going on at other universities, it was not the football players that were abused, it was 10 year old boys who were part of a charitable organization that he was heavily involved with.

He is the very lowest of pond scum.

[DubaiSis]

The part that worries me a lot is, if I got the story right, these boys were in his home. Have we learned nothing from Michael Jackson? There is no reason under the sun for your child to have a sleep over, or private get-together with a grown up at his house without you being there. None. This man deserves to be strung up, as do all of the people who knew, or suspected that there was something wrong. But the parents who would send their son off with some stranger just because he's famous need to accept a certain amount of blame for this.

It was a 2 year investigation? I'll bet you a dollar there are a LOT of boys out there from before that, and maybe some will come forward.

And to be clear, priests and football coaches are on the same level of disgusting these days? One more reason to pay football coaches a living wage and that's all! If they're going to be a religion, they can get paid priestly salaries. Vow of poverty, anyone?

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

The part that worries me a lot is, if I got the story right, these boys were in his home. Have we learned nothing from Michael Jackson? There is no reason under the sun for your child to have a sleep over, or private get-together with a grown up at his house without you being there. None. This man deserves to be strung up, as do all of the people who knew, or suspected that there was something wrong. But the parents who would send their son off with some stranger just because he's famous need to accept a certain amount of blame for this.

These kids were from troubled homes; there were probably issues with substance abuse, poverty, and G-d knows what else. Only in one instance did a parent get involved. My suspicion is that Sandusky targeted kids whose parents weren't that engaged, and may have been happy to have them out of their hair, to victimize. In fact, he "groomed" the kids for years prior to the alleged assaults.

I'm not trying to excuse what happened, but not every parent is emotionally or physically present enough to blow the whistle on that behavior. Predators know what they're doing when they target certain kids.

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I haven't read/heard his full testimony, but $10 says he called his dad and asked what he should do and dad suggested that he do nothing, not wanting to risk such a prestigious GAship and all.

So many people looking the other way here.

Apparently, he's a former football player and now an employee with PSU.

[southbymidwest]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

These kids were from troubled homes; there were probably issues with substance abuse, poverty, and G-d knows what else. Only in one instance did a parent get involved. My suspicion is that Sandusky targeted kids whose parents weren't that engaged, and may have been happy to have them out of their hair, to victimize. In fact, he "groomed" the kids for years prior to the alleged assaults.

I'm not trying to excuse what happened, but not every parent is emotionally or physically present enough to blow the whistle on that behavior. Predators know what they're doing when they target certain kids.

Yup. He may also have "befriended" some of the parents as part of the grooming process. Unfortunately many sexual predators will go after the vulnerable kids for a number of reasons.

[LXA SE285]

I am angry as hell at the people who knew about, including the graduate assistant coach and janitor who allegedly unexpectedly walked in on it and did not help.

I can't wrap my mind around this either.

[psusue]

Obviously, this is all my friends are talking about right now. This is an incredibly hard time to be a Penn Stater and to even associate oneself with this university. Right now my facebook feed is blowing up with discussion of this with many different opinions. This article is one I wanted to share, there may be more, but as this situation unfolds I just deeply hope that justice is done. I will keep posting articles as I find ones worth reading.

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by psusue

This article is one I wanted to share...

Interesting article which does bring up the "chain of command" for reporting such horrible crimes. However, any institution- from church, to workplace to universities- which has this type of procedure no doubt relies on the good faith that the person whose role it is to contact authorities actually follows through and does just that.

Therefore, I fully disagree with the author of that article that Joe Paterno did all that he was expected to do. He may have initially followed protocol, if such a system was in place at Penn State. However, he became just as guilty as the other filthy pond scum when he did not pursue the matter when it was evident that a crime report had not been filed. He was aware a crime had happened, and he was futher aware that there had been ZERO follow up on it from a criminal investigation standpoint. At that time to hell with any institutional policies, you call authorities immediately.

I predict he resigns within the week.

[southbymidwest]

There are the legal requirements and then there are the moral requirements. Joe, the GA, and janitor, to varying degrees, probably met the legal requirements, but as to the moral, can't say they did. That being said, I have not heard how hard Joe pursued the investigation, or how long it took him to report it- and if he could get his head wrapped around the possibility that his friend and member of his clan of coaches there was a pedophile- after all, most pedophiles are married men, often with kids of their own. They are often involved with activities associated with kids-coaches, teachers, boy scout leaders, etc. Not to slam the 99.99% of coaches,teachers and volunteers who day in and day out, make a positive difference in the lives of kids. They don't walk around with a red P on their chest. But ultimately, Joe had the moral responsibility to follow through.

[Kevin]

In Oklahoma, if you suspect child abuse you can be criminally prosecuted for not reporting it. I speculate that the laws in Pennsylvania are not dissimilar. JoePa and the whole lot of 'em should be criminally prosecuted if they knew anything.

It looks like the state is indicting just about everyone related to the crime. I hope this can be used to educate people about it being required that they report crimes such as these.

[33girl]

OK, I got a very inappropriate LOL out of the fact that JS's autobiography is called "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story."

As far as JoePa's involvement...it's my understanding that he didn't witness the abuse firsthand, but was told about it by a third party. He reported that to the appropriate parties, and from there an in-depth investigation should have been carried on - NOT by Paterno. He is not the administrative or disciplinary arm of the university. Why on earth are people trying to place everything on his shoulders?

This is the part of the article that hits home:

If every person that suspected child abuse in an institutional setting were permitted to take the law into their own hands by contacting authorities, it would become incredibly easy for anyone with a vendetta against a colleague, a superior, or an underling to ruin a career and a reputation by making unfounded reports with no check. That is why they are to report to the heads of their institutions, whose responsibility it is to make the report, based on whether or not there is 'reasonable suspicion' that abuse has occurred.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by 33girl

OK, I got a very inappropriate LOL out of the fact that JS's autobiography is called "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story."

As far as JoePa's involvement...it's my understanding that he didn't witness the abuse firsthand, but was told about it by a third party. He reported that to the appropriate parties, and from there an in-depth investigation should have been carried on - NOT by Paterno. He is not the administrative or disciplinary arm of the university. Why on earth are people trying to place everything on his shoulders?

This is the part of the article that hits home:

If every person that suspected child abuse in an institutional setting were permitted to take the law into their own hands by contacting authorities, it would become incredibly easy for anyone with a vendetta against a colleague, a superior, or an underling to ruin a career and a reputation by making unfounded reports with no check. That is why they are to report to the heads of their institutions, whose responsibility it is to make the report, based on whether or not there is 'reasonable suspicion' that abuse has occurred.

What? So, if you witness a brutal crime in an institutional setting, you're not supposed to call the police? That's just asinine.