Question on the Divine Nine

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
Soon-to-be, if you can email me (click on my profile for the address), I can be of some assistance to you in what you are looking for. I think that my almost 10 years of researching GLOs is finally gonna pay off


Hope this helps.

Match Game '73

Mission accomplished, yall! Soon-to-be emailed to me the request, I gave her the info, which BTW, not all info requested was available on each official website, but between my research in the past, I can safely say she got what she was looking for. As far as the so-called secret info she requested, I legitimately secured that info, thus circumventing the "secrecy" involved--and informed her of the sources I got them from. A copy of the email(s) are available upon request.

Now was that so hard, yall?

Match Game '73 www.matchgame.org

[12dn94dst]

no, RM, it wasn't hard at all. forgve us for knowing the information soon-to-be was looking for IS on the internet (as you've shown) and please forgive us for giving directions to that information. i wish i'd known that doing research really meant asking someone ELSE to look up the information you need. thanks for clearing that up for us.

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[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
Mission accomplished, yall! Soon-to-be emailed to me the request, I gave her the info, which BTW, not all info requested was available on each official website, but between my research in the past, I can safely say she got what she was looking for. As far as the so-called secret info she requested, I legitimately secured that info, thus circumventing the "secrecy" involved--and informed her of the sources I got them from. A copy of the email(s) are available upon request.

Now was that so hard, yall?

Match Game '73 www.matchgame.org

LOL. ROTFL!

I GUESS THAT'S WHY SOME ARE STILL RESEARCHING AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN MEMBERS FOR LIKE NEARLY 10 YEARS and such.

I HAD TO GO THERE! I COULDN'T RESIST!

[ZetaAce]

You read my my mind 12dn94dst! I wish I knew that this was the way to 'research' when I was in college. It would have made my life so much easier!

ZetaAce

Originally posted by 12dn94dst:
no, RM, it wasn't hard at all. forgve us for knowing the information soon-to-be was looking for IS on the internet (as you've shown) and please forgive us for giving directions to that information. i wish i'd known that doing research really meant asking someone ELSE to look up the information you need. thanks for clearing that up for us.

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[Rain Man]

To ZetaAce, AKA2D, and 12dn94..

A couple of things.

First, soon-to-be clearly stated that she was not seeking membership in any BGLO. Now I ask this all jokes aside, but would NPHC etiquette still dictate that they do their own research under extenuating circumstances?

Second, I personally find contradictions in NPHC doctrine in that under one premise they stress "Each One Teach One" and "Am I my Brother's/Sister's Keeper?" and under another premise they stress the bootstrap/"I Got Mine, You Get Yours" doctrine. Frankly while I can see why you teach that, I nonetheless find it rather hypocritical.

In short, if the requirement to research applies regardless of seeking membership in the NPHC orgs, I apologize; I genuinely did not know that. All I did was help someone in need where IMHO I did not see anyone else actively doing so.

Match Game '73 www.matchgame.org

[mccoyred]

As another old skooler, I'm going to put my 2 cents in here.

I have to disagree with Brother Alpha 1906, because information about our mascot, colors, etc. means nothing to anyone except the members of each org. Now, if someone is asking about our service projects, sponsored young adult programs or about networking opportunities, then I am willing to share as much as I can to enlighten and inspire.

I don't beleive the problem here is that soon-to-be asked questions but it was the specific questions asked.

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MCCOYRED
Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

[ZetaAce]

alpha1906- It's not about not helping people out with an inquiry about BGLOs. My point (and mine alone) is that there are several resources out there that people can use.

For example, there was this guy that wrote a book about NPHC organizations. YOU! Is it so hard to pick up a book before posting a question. Or even to use the search feature on this board. No, it's not. There have been a lot of topics asked about BGLOs ad nauseam.

PnguinTrax and ZChiLife pointed out a resource that soon-to-be could use. I was one of those first-in-college people that you mentioned. I found out the info I wanted to know, without making a list and asking someone to fill in the blanks.

This isn't about rejecting anybody or being above anyone. Most of the BGLO members on this board are very helpful (I won't say all, cause that's not true). I know that I receive questions from people (via email) everyday and I'm as helpful as possible.

ZetaAce

DISCLAIMER: This response is not intended for one question asker in particular, it just happens to be in this thread.


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[12dn94dst]

This exchange bring a story to mind. Picture a very bright 6th grader writing a report. She's looked up her information and has everything she needs to put her report together. As she's writing, she comes to a word she wants to use, but does not know how to spell. She looks up from to kitchen table and asks her father how to spell the word. Her father says "look it up in the dictionary."

"But Daddy, how can I look it up if I don't know how to spell it?"

"Well, sound the word out and look where you think it may be. If it's not where you first looked, they a second place in the dictionary. Once you've looked everywhere you can think of to look, ask me again and I'll help you."


Ladies & gentlemen, that bright 6th grader was me. That lesson, although I didn't understand it at the time & I truly thought my Dad enjoyed seeing me suffer, taught me a few things. It taught me self-reliance, that is, the first person I should look to for help is ME. I learned problem-solving, the systematic means of working through possible soloutions until the correct one is found. LEARNING happens when you read is something else I picked up from that experience. And, most importantly, I learned people are more than willing to help you if you are willing to help yourself.

I think sometimes people think when we say "do some research" that we flat out don't want to give information. That's not always the case. Our parents spent a great deal of time, effort and tears teaching us how to be self-reliant & responsible adults. Our teachers spent a great deal of time teaching us how to do research. Why is it suddenly OK for us to let the efforts of these people be in vain when it comes to an interest, be it membership driven or not, in fraternities and sororities?

[soon-to-be]

First, I would like to apologize to all and any of the people on this board whom I might have offended in my approach to seek out this information. My intentions were never to offend or impose.
Secondly, I would like to respond to some of your comments.
While I agree that this by no means is the information that defines an organization, but I didn't choose for that to be the specific information to research.
Also, I did attempt to do some research on my own. As I stated in my second post, I looked for some information in the Divine Nine book and also on MANY MANY webpages of these organizations. I also looked on KAZODIASS.com, nphc.org (which appearantly seems to be down at the moment), and other greek-related sites. While I did find a lot of the information on my own, I did not find everything I was looking for and so I decided to ask. Also, I wanted to verify that the information that I had already found was correct from the people that would know best.
Rain Man, thank you very much for all of your help, it was greatly appreciated.
To everyone else, I would like to thank you as well because all of the posts I have read have made me stop and realize that for the future I should be more careful so as not to offend anyone or give the wrong impression.
It has also reminded me that this is not something that comes easy..I must work hard and prove that I want it and that I can do it.
Thank you to everyone who replied to this post.

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[ZChi4Life]

12dn94dst,
I share that SAME story, 'cept my mommy taught it to me

[ZetaAce]

RM-

At the beginning of soon-to-be's post she says she is doing research. Hence our response. Research is NOT putting together a list of questions and expecting an answer. Research to me and to some others involves a little more work. Like picking up a book for example.

As far as 'Each One Teach One', I believe that teaching someone to fish, instead of handing over a plate of cooked salmon is far more beneficial.

Now you all know, that I do not usually come off as 'snobby' but we can't just hand things over everytime someone asks. There are a bunch of resources that can be found that answer the questions that were asked.

ZetaAce

Originally posted by Rain Man:
To ZetaAce, AKA2D, and 12dn94..

A couple of things.

First, soon-to-be clearly stated that she was not seeking membership in any BGLO. Now I ask this all jokes aside, but would NPHC etiquette still dictate that they do their own research under extenuating circumstances?

Second, I personally find contradictions in NPHC doctrine in that under one premise they stress "Each One Teach One" and "Am I my Brother's/Sister's Keeper?" and under another premise they stress the bootstrap/"I Got Mine, You Get Yours" doctrine. Frankly while I can see why you teach that, I nonetheless find it rather hypocritical.

In short, if the requirement to research applies regardless of seeking membership in the NPHC orgs, I apologize; I genuinely did not know that. All I did was help someone in need where IMHO I did not see anyone else actively doing so.

Match Game '73 www.matchgame.org

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[Rain Man]

Originally posted by ZetaAce:
RM-

At the beginning of soon-to-be's post she says she is doing research. Hence our response. Research is NOT putting together a list of questions and expecting an answer. Research to me and to some others involves a little more work. Like picking up a book for example.

ZetaAce



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So if research is not compiling questions and expecting an answer, then would you say the news and newsprograms (Dateline, 20/20, 60 Minutes) are not research oriented? Is the only way to get research is to pick up a book or surf the net? Peter Jennings, Ted Koppel, Tom Brokaw, John Stossel, Jane Pauley, Stone Phillips are not researching information when they are INTERVIEWING somebody? Interviews (Interviews defined as compiling questions and expecting a response) are not considered research?

A little one-dimensional, if you ask me.

Rain Man

[KnowledgeEternal]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
So if research is not compiling questions and expecting an answer, then would you say the news and newsprograms (Dateline, 20/20, 60 Minutes) are not research oriented? Is the only way to get research is to pick up a book or surf the net? Peter Jennings, Ted Koppel, Tom Brokaw, John Stossel, Jane Pauley, Stone Phillips are not researching information when they are INTERVIEWING somebody? Interviews (Interviews defined as compiling questions and expecting a response) are not considered research?

A little one-dimensional, if you ask me.

Rain Man

Those are not research shows. Nova is a research show. Those are muckrakers. There is a difference between journalism and research. Do you consider the National Enquirer a research journal? They are just interviewing people right?

[ZetaAce]

I'd say the people doing all the legwork are doing the research. Ted Koppel sitting there asking questions isn't.

There's a difference between an interview and doing research. Research usually implies looking at more than one source. At least that's what I learned in my research methods class in college. That was while ago, so maybe compiling a list is considered research now.

Sheesh!

ZetaAce

Originally posted by Rain Man:
So if research is not compiling questions and expecting an answer, then would you say the news and newsprograms (Dateline, 20/20, 60 Minutes) are not research oriented? Is the only way to get research is to pick up a book or surf the net? Peter Jennings, Ted Koppel, Tom Brokaw, John Stossel, Jane Pauley, Stone Phillips are not researching information when they are INTERVIEWING somebody? Interviews (Interviews defined as compiling questions and expecting a response) are not considered research?

A little one-dimensional, if you ask me.

Rain Man