Clinton Whitewashed By Media Just Like African-Americans

[AKAtude]

It may not be new, but it obviously isn't seen enough.

[Poplife]

Ralph Boyd himself offered me a job in his office and you call my politics elementary? And you think my statements are funny? Hmm.

I am not a bleeding heart. I don't see any reason why ANYONE should be on public assistance for years at a time. I believe people should take initiative to make something of themselves. Allowing someone to literally make a living off of unemployment contradicts the idea of doing for self, which is what as a black man who feels he knows his stuff, should understand.

There is nothing wrong with having a helping hand (in the way your line brothers probably helped you). But to allow someone to totally depend on an outside source robs them of their self worth, self sufficiency, and initiative. That's basic psychology, not bigotry. Do I believe in public assistance? Yes, I do. However I feel that it should only be temporary for the reasons I stated above.

As far as the immigrant thing, where did you get all that? I was merely stating that it seems as though every other race is making the system work for them. I want Blacks to be advancing like the others. That's all. No more. It's done. I've spoken. I don't care about affirmative action. I didn't not need it to get into my private high school because you apply with numbers in place of a name (ethnic names tip you off), and they don't interview you unless you are a transfer. I certainly didn't need it to get into my HBCU. Maybe someone else used it, but I didn't, and therefore do not care who does. When my Arab friend got fired on Sept 14 I was the first one to pressure her to go the EEOC. I will testify on her behalf in the spring. An Asian woman helped me get me my new job. I am glad she has since been promoted. My bestfriend is half Puerto Rican and I love her and her people. I am glad to see them doing so well. Please stop adding things in to make a point because you're dead wrong. Politically I maybe be afro-centric, but in everyday life I thoroughly enjoy various cultures and the people that are linked to them. I take great pride in knowing a lot about them and will continue to travel and expand my knowledge of others who are not like me.

I really don't care why people voted for Bush. He's in there for four years and will probably go for eight, so the best I can do is work with the system I've got. Sometimes, it's not about how or why someone got where they are. It's about finding a way to make them work for you. So Bush he is prioritizing his own company? Any president would do the same. Shoot, any person in power would do the same for his or her company if they could. It's called being human. Life ain't fair.

You accuse me of playing a game. I'm not sure if it's the one that is making my life so good, but if it is I will play it 'till I die. I do for self first and other's next. I'm not ashamed to say so because it's that philosophy that keeps me from becoming dependent on a system that will never willingly cater to me.

You compare me to Rush Limbaugh because you are ignorant. You may be well informed by your standards, but my standard of being informed are much higher. For me, being truly informed means that you have analyzed everything with an unbiased eye. This includes the idea's and systems that we are conditioned to be against from birth.

Three years ago I used to think just like you until my father (a member of the independent party) taught me that blacks that thought like you were the ones that are constantly being left behind without even noticing. When I looked at all the professional people in my life I saw that he was right. In fact I don't know one Black Millionaire (or wealthy black person) that thinks like you.

These same blacks that have essentially been disowned by the black community for their political affiliation are the same ones giving to millions NAACP and UNCF. The president of my school is a black republican, and I attend a major HBC. He raised 2 times the goal for funding last year, fought to get more black students in media internships stating that we needed to see more black faces, and openly encourages blacks to do for self. Yet, you say they turn on their own people and shut the door in their face. You only display your ignorance when you say things like that.

You wanted me to name some black republicans that have helped other's make money. I know quite a few, but you have to realize that even if I named them, it wouldn't mean much to you because only two or three are very public figures. There are many everyday black people that happen to be republicans and are very pro-black. Believing that all black Repub.'s are like Alan Keys shows how little exposure you have and how hijacked YOUR mind is. You can't even see that the democrats don't want you in their party. They cater to you to get votes, not because they have your best interest at heart. They promise everything and deliver nothing because that's what they think we deserve. When we are no longer the biggest (ahem, LEGAL) minority, they will drop us and sing and dance for whomever is next in line.

You obviously get much of your information from the democratically dominated media, which is typical for black people. I get my information from MEETING, OBSERVING, and having MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS with these people. In some cases I am related to them.

My aunt made partner in her million dollar law firm up in NYC 3 years ago. My uncle (her husband) owns a successful BMW dealership in New Jersey. They fight everyday to get more black interns. They are republicans. Another uncle owns a hotel and an apartment complex in Nevada and is an optometrist (how the hell he does that is beyond me). All his managers are black and he once held out on partnering with another optometrist until he could find another black person to share his name and his office space. He is a republican. My dad and mom's good friend is now the VP for the EC division of Verizon. Guess who he is hiring a lot of. Guess what political affiliation he has.

Look up the word "obfuscation" and you will realize that the Reps have hijacked yours and other working class Reps emotions and used them to line their pockets.

*lol* First of all, what makes you think I'm from a working class family? Second of all how do you know I'm not one of the people who's daddy is having his pockets lined? Assumptions are not becoming.

Once again, please remember EVERY black person is NOT like you socially, politically, or financially. Not every black person thinks like you, nor should they. You can down my defense of the few Republican politics I like all you want, but financially they have helped me and I'm not talking about your silly little $300 dollars. Like I said, you can make people work for you if you can get to their strings.

And FYI, I'm not a republican. I only vote republican when it comes to personal assets and government minimizing. Other than that I am all over the board. I guess me being informed threw you off. That can happen when you have blinders on.

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
POPLIFE

You are too funny, and your vision of politics is very elementary. Yes, money rules politics, plain and simple, but the game is what you do not recognize. What Black Republican do you know that has created wealth for anybody else. Once they have one of their white benefactors help them out of the barrel, they turn around and close the lid. Your post was exactly about what Reps are about : SELF. I'm going to get mine, hook or crook, make sure I keep it, keep others from the opportunity (Hispanics, Koreans, immigrants) and save affirmative action for only my kind (the power of inheritance). Non-rich people don't work hard, immigrants have no right to the American dream? You sound like Rush Limbaugh talking about welfare queens and such. Yeah Reps are about the bucks, but Bush won because poor and middle class people voted for him, not just the rich 10% who run things. Why, because Reps make the white man feel threatened by the exact things that you enumerated. Let me give you a real political reality check.

This war is not about Bin Laden. He provides a good cover. It is about opening up central asia for an oil pipeline that has to go from Russia thru Afghanistan. Why do you think Russia is so eager to partner with the U.S in ousting the Taliban?

What man and what company benefitted the most from Bush Sr's war with Iraq? Why, our very own V.P Dick Cheney. The Enron company spent millions to get Bush Jr. elected. Guess which company got the biggest tax break due to 9/11?

When the stock market crashed after 9/11, Bush changed the stock market rules to allow private stockholders to purchase larger shares than allowed under SEC rules. Of course they bought stock dirt cheap when the market reopened and viola', one month later when the market stabilized, the million shares they bought at $2 are now worth $40 a share.

Poplife, who has benefitted here? Yeah, we got our $300 tax rebate, yeah, they're rolling back affirmative action, yeah, they will dismantle welfare and cater to your hot buttons, but who is getting over like a fat rat, while you play the blame game that Rush Limbaugh has popularized. Look up the word "obfuscation" and you will realize that the Reps have hijacked yours and other working class Reps emotions and used them to line their pockets.

One last thing, the reason you have not seen Dick Cheney is because he's behind the scenes plotting the strategy that gets their Carlyle Group friends more money (real money).

[Poplife]

Originally posted by AKAtude
It may not be new, but it obviously isn't seen enough.

True.

[AKAtude]

However, I forgot to mention I agree with DoggieStyle on this one.

[DoggyStyle82]

POPLIFE

Taking a little break from my Thanksgiving repast and polite dinner conversation, lo and behold, what do I see;

Poplife, do myself and the readers of this forum a favor. If you are going to argue a point, it would behoove you to put the information from your 4th post in your 1st one, then a reader could understand posts 1 thru 3 and why you take the positions that you do. When debating, one can only go by information that is presented, not info that is withheld.

Speaking of assumptions, I never stated that I was a Dem, a liberal, or a proponent of social welfare programs. I also never stated that individual Black Republicans do not help Blacks. I said that Bushes Black appointees were in no position to influence policies that would help Blacks and elected ones like J.C. Watts have to do the bidding of their white benefactors.

Also, it doesn't matter what your registration is, if you vote Rep, then you're Rep.

Working class relates to those whose income comes from working rather than investments as the major source of income. But if you and your family are independently wealthy, more power to you.

If anyone is familiar with your posts, you have always come across as anti-Korean and Hispanic. Down with the masses, buy Black, wear an afro-centric hairstyle, eff the system person. Now, all of a sudden, you have Multi-cultural friends, defender of the opressed minority, "I'm a get mine, if you 're not successful you must be lazy", type of person. One minute you make it seem as if your family will go hungry because Black folks aint got the good sense to buy Black, next minute, your whole family and errbody Black you know are rich as hell.

BTW, you never addressed the gist of my response. Instead, you resorted to demagougery and obfuscation (trademarks of the Republican platform) Complain about the 10 people cheating welfare for $20k/yr, when corporate welfare is in the billions. Again, either I'm confused or either you do not know how to properly provide a cogent foundation for a proper debate.

[pretty3grl]

I must say that I also agree with Doggystyle on this one. What can I say, I'm from Texas. I have seen the Bushies in action for far too long. Poplife, you have a right to make your points, and I will listen to them, but I am a teacher, so obviously there a many things more important to me than money. Clinton may be phoney (so was Regan, Nixon, Bush Sr., etc.), but I like him and would have voted for him again in a second. I have never voted for Bush, but because I am a Texan, I have lived under his policies (educational, political, financial, ect.), and simply put, he is a moron. The first rule of politics should be "don't show your stupidity in public." Some things should just be left at home. He surrounded himself with good people in Texas, yet he still showed his moronic side quite often (See if you don't take the advice of those you surround yourself with, you still look stupid. It is clear that Bush ad libs during his speeches, and for him, that is a no no). I truly believe that you do not get into politics without being a truly phoney person. None are more real than any others. Bush just looks stupid even when he is being phony, and sadly he governed the educational policy in the "great state" that awarded him a high school diploma (how ironic). Politics is politics is politics, period. I believe that you vote for the person that you prefer, yet realize that no matter what, everyone running is full of chit.
By the way the town of Selma, which has a huge majority of poor, impoverished blacks and high voter turnout voted for a Republican mayor year after year even though he got on national TV during the Civil Rights movement and called MLK Jr. "Martin Luther Coon," and said that blacks were incapable of governing blacks. That's my example of poor black (confused) Republicans. Fortunately, he was voted out of office last year for the first time since the 60's.
Lastly, the Rebublicans got the Black vote for years because it was "the party of Lincoln" although we all know that he was full of chit with the whole "emancipation thing", so both parties have done their share of pimping blacks. Bush's new twist is to give radio addresses in Spanish (ie. pimping Hispanics). To me it's 6 in one hand and a half dozen in the other. I am just not ready (and don't think that I ever will be), to sport an elephant on my chest (pun intended).

[Poplife]

Doggy,

I was able to skim your post from my grandmother's house yesterday, but the fact that she only has one phone line forced me to prioritize.

I'm sorry if you are having trouble understanding me and that you feel I'm repetitive. But like I say, Chinese and Korean sound the same when you don't speak either language.

And yes, some people do think that you can only debate on the information given. I, however, feel that ANY information that is known to either party is eligible to be used. Hey, look at the presidential debates. Besides, this isn't a debate to me. It's a typical dinner conversation at my house.

I also never stated that individual Black Republicans do not help Blacks.

Why did you ask me what Black Republicans did I know that were creating wealth for anyone else, and then state that BRs 'close the lid' behind them? No you did not SAY that. Still, asking/saying those things makes what you are thinking obvious.

Also, it doesn't matter what your registration is, if you vote Rep, then you're Rep.

Oh really? Well, the KKK believes that blacks should only be with blacks. So do many black people. Are they in with the KKK? It's called mutual agreement on select subjects. Come on now, that's basic!

Working class relates to those whose income comes from working rather than investments as the major source of income. But if you and your family are independently wealthy, more power to you.

Nice try, but you are slightly off.

The technical term for 'working class' is people who work for a salary/wages. However when spoken of in social terms it doesn't translate into that idea. The food chain goes as follows (from dirt poor on up).

Lower Class (Trailer park, ghetto)

Lower Middle Class (contains some Blue Collar types like postal workers and trash men)

Middle Middle Class (contains much of the Blue Collar/Working Class folks, but only the slightly more educated types like electricians and public school teachers)

Upper Middle Class (Doctors, lawyers unrelated to a firm, college professors, etc.)

Upper Class (the Michael Douglas in 'Wall Street', the Banks' family from Fresh Prince, the Cosby family. most of the new "money folks" are in this bracket.)

Old Money (basically the folks you mentioned earlier)

Here's a hint for your understanding. Working class people work to provide an income. Upper Middle Class - Upper Class people work to MAINTAIN an income (there is a difference there). Old money folks consider work consulting with their accountants, managers, and other folks that are watching the family business/investments. While at working I one met a millionaire investment banker who worked 17 hours a day. Is he working class? I think not.

I told my family about this conversation while talking about Bush over turkey and collard greens. My dad suggested you should take a peak at "People Like Us: Class in America", which is one of our favorite PBS shows. And I don't say that to be sarcastic. If class interests you peep their site on www.pbs.org

Tell me what you think.

If anyone is familiar with your posts, you have always come across as anti-Korean and Hispanic. Down with the masses, buy Black, wear an afro-centric hairstyle, eff the system person. Now, all of a sudden, you have Multi-cultural friends, defender of the opressed minority, "I'm a get mine, if you 're not successful you must be lazy", type of person. One minute you make it seem as if your family will go hungry because Black folks aint got the good sense to buy Black, next minute, your whole family and errbody Black you know are rich as hell.

I won't deny that I can come across as anti-whatever. But you have to realize that I only seem that way to the people that a) Cannot see the issues at hand facing blacks b) REFUSE to see the issues at hand facing blacks or c) Are not in even in a place where they can TRY and see the issues at hand facing blacks.

Buy black? Yes. Wear an afro? If you want to. 'Eff' the system? Sort of. Don't take how it tries to treat you to heart, but do learn how to use it to your advantage. I am not the defender for anything. Defenders make their subject weaker, but teachers make them strong.

BTW, I've ALWAYS had multicultural friends. I get teased for collecting Asian Textiles and watching the Joy Luck Club everyday. People call me a sell out because I want to live in France or Italy. I get questioned about the amount of time I spend at the downtown ethnic arts festivals and gatherings. So?

I assure, you that it is possible to separate the politics from the people. It IS possible to go out with Asian, Arab, and Hispanic friends and enjoy them as individuals and not think if them as a mass. All my friends, even my Asian ones , are fully aware of my views. Many of them respect me for it. In the words of my friend Chung: "You not racists. You love black people. I love Chinese people. What's wrong with loving yourself? What's wrong with wanting to see your people go high?"

I'm dramatic. I must be to have you believe my family was really losing out because people didn't want to deal with their own kind. To clear things up let me say this, the issue with blacks not buying blacks hurt our hearts more than our wallets. The store was an investment for my father, not a needed source of income.

Yes, I know a lot of Blacks who are rich. But I know more who are not. The sad fact is, the rich blacks keep getting richer while the poor blacks cover their ears to advice and drown in their own self-pity and debt.

BTW, you never addressed the gist of my response. Instead, you resorted to demagougery and obfuscation (trademarks of the Republican platform) Complain about the 10 people cheating welfare for $20k/yr, when corporate welfare is in the billions. Again, either I'm confused or either you do not know how to properly provide a cogent foundation for a proper debate.

I reply to what interests me and if that is confusing than please accept my profound apologies. However, I don't feel obligated by your 'debate' rules.


Peace, Happiness, and Many Thanks for the Intellectual
Intercourse...I was hesitant at first but it didn't hurt a bit. Maybe I'll come back for more.