Latinamerican joining Fraternities

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaBorn

On the eyes of others, it might be an american college experience. Mostly based on, like this guy said, stereotypes.

Hence, they are challenging the stereotypes. Did you join GC to tell us this?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Hence, they are challenging the stereotypes. Did you join GC to tell us this?

And to let us know he was born in Georgia.

[voLTAgeDEuce]

It bothers me that someone from Latin America is generalizing cultural focused orgs. I am a Latina, a American, I am member of a LGLO and damn proud!!

I understand wanting to have a similar experience to what he may have seen on television or in movies, but that is not real. How can anyone predict what kind of experience he is going to have with any group??

To answer the original post: I think you should probably focus on getting into school and getting good grades.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by BAE

My question is, will there be any problems, how uncommon is it for foreigners to join this types of fraternities, and might I not get a bid because of it?

I highly doubt you will have problems. Its hard to nail down what groups will provide you the sort of experience you seek because we don't know what school you're going to, hence, we have no idea which groups you're looking at.

It, however, is almost universally true that the stereotypical fraternities, as depicted in television and film, will be part of your campus' IFC. Once you're there, the process for joining is a process of mutual selection. Some places are pretty competitive, so you having not gone to certain high schools in the U.S. could be a liability, but you'll find a place.

And really, there's not anything offensive about him looking for a particular sort of experience. It's not as if some of the same people here expressing outrage express the same outrage at individuals seeking to join cultural or multi-cultural GLOs.

[knight_shadow]

I'm still looking for a post expressing "outrage"

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And really, there's not anything offensive about him looking for a particular sort of experience. It's not as if some of the same people here expressing outrage express the same outrage at individuals seeking to join cultural or multi-cultural GLOs.

He isn't seeking to join a particular GLO or even a particular council or conference. His imagery is based on American vs. Non-American.

There is a problem with making "American college experience" synonymous with "white college students' experiences" and therefore making "American fraternities and sororities" synonymous with "predominantly white fraternities and sororities/NPC/NIC."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I'm still looking for a post expressing "outrage"

What's embedded in the perceived "outrage" is that those who are aware of the issue of culturalism are incapable of discussing such matters without becoming "outraged." When in fact, such discussions are so common that responses are not contingent upon any emotional reaction, let alone outrage.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

He isn't seeking to join a particular GLO or even a particular council or conference. His imagery is based on American vs. Non-American.

There is a problem with making "American college experience" synonymous with "white college students' experiences" and therefore making "American fraternities and sororities" synonymous with "predominantly white fraternities and sororities/NPC/NIC."

NIC =/= whites only anymore. This ain't the 60s, unless, of course, we're talking about Old Row fraternities at Alabama, which we're likely not. I take offense to that.

Reading the OP's post, I cannot imagine he'd be very interested in joining an organization set up to cater to U.S. ethnic minorities.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

NIC =/= whites only anymore.

It means historically and predominantly white. Don't pretend that segregation has ended in America and the average NIC chapter is not predominantly white or all white.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Reading the OP's post, I cannot imagine he'd be very interested in joining an organization set up to cater to U.S. ethnic minorities.

Correct, he is looking for an organization set up to cater to (your wording, not mine) the U.S. majority which is whites. That's his vision of America and his vision of Greekdom.

Someone tells him about Lambda Sigma Upsilon Latino Fraternity and chapter consisting of Latinos, Asian, African American, and people of European descent; and the OP replies that these people are mainly non-Americans and that's not what he's looking for. I doubt his response would have been that different had he been told "Latin-American," "Asian-American," and "Americans of European descent."

[DrPhil]

As always, I do find humor in BGLOs/LGLOs/AGLOs/MCGLOs being the organizations "set up to cater to U.S. ethnic minorities" and therefore being considered the only organizations "set up to cater to" U.S. racial, ethnic, and cultural identities.

That leaves the rest of the organizations. Who are these organizations set up to cater to? Are people still pretending that the remaining organizations are racially, ethnically, and culturally neutral? They cater to thousands of people who have invisible racial, ethnic, and cultural identities? Defining the organizations that are uncoincidentally predominantly white as mainstream, the majority, and neutral is one reason why BGLOs/LGLOs/AGLOs/MCGLOs were founded in the first place and remain relevant and prevalent in 2011.

[DTD Alum]

Oh come on, it's pretty obvious what he is asking, he just doesn't understand the PC terms in America. He wants the typical, stereotypical American fraternity experience. Other GLOs do not give that. He just went about saying it the wrong way.

To answer the question, it really depends on individual schools and chapters. I know my fraternity initiated guys from Mexico and Colombia when I attended school there, but that's in Los Angeles which tends to be much more open to other cultures. In a less liberal area of the country it might be more difficult.

[DTD Alum]

Originally Posted by voLTAgeDEuce

I understand wanting to have a similar experience to what he may have seen on television or in movies, but that is not real. How can anyone predict what kind of experience he is going to have with any group??

I disagree, at many campuses in America it is very possible to get an experience quite close to what is portrayed in movies. These tend to be bigger schools with a large GLO percentage, however.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DTD Alum

Oh come on, it's pretty obvious what he is asking, he just doesn't understand the PC terms in America. He wants the typical, stereotypical American fraternity experience. Other GLOs do not give that. He just went about saying it the wrong way.

To answer the question, it really depends on individual schools and chapters. I know my fraternity initiated guys from Mexico and Colombia when I attended school there, but that's in Los Angeles which tends to be much more open to other cultures. In a less liberal area of the country it might be more difficult.

So I got an unusual, international college experience? Wow. That Texas university sure fooled me.

As stated earlier, he wants to join a fraternity with white membership (since we're not beating around the bush).

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DTD Alum

Oh come on, it's pretty obvious what he is asking, he just doesn't understand the PC terms in America.

So, now you are reducing our replies to the demand for "PC terms?"

Originally Posted by DTD Alum

He wants the typical, stereotypical American fraternity experience. Other GLOs do not give that.

That depends on what "other GLOs" means.

Originally Posted by DTD Alum

To answer the question, it really depends on individual schools and chapters. I know my fraternity initiated guys from Mexico and Colombia when I attended school there, but that's in Los Angeles which tends to be much more open to other cultures. In a less liberal area of the country it might be more difficult.

Perhaps your chapter would consist of non-Americans as far as the OP is concerned. He may prefer being the token in a chapter. It seems that he wants to be accepted but doesn't want "too many others" accepted as to reduce the American fraternity experience for him. Quite a conundrum.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

So I got an unusual, international college experience? Wow. That Texas university sure fooled me.

As stated earlier, he wants to join a fraternity with white membership (since we're not beating around the bush).

They want to piss on our shoes and tell us it's rain. Talk about bullshitting and trying to be PC.