Jessica Schmessica...We got a royal wedding to look forward to!

[honeychile]

^I'm fairly certain (without looking it up) that Camilla gave up the possibility of being Queen as part of the pre-nup. Probably the same article you read.


Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cornwall but never Queen Camilla ;Charles excited...boys delighted; ROYAL WEDDING.

Byline: ROB SINGH

CAMILLA Parker Bowles is to be known as HRH the Duchess of Cornwall The Duchess of Cornwall is the title held by the wife of the Duke of Cornwall. Duke of Cornwall is a non-hereditary peerage held by the British Sovereign's eldest son and heir. once she marries Prince Charles - and will never be known as Queen.

When Charles accedes to the throne she will be known as Princess Consort.

The move to allow Charles to be King without his wife being Queen will have to be approved by a special Act of Parliament passed when he takes the throne.

The Queen approved her new daughter-in-law taking the style Her Royal Highness, making her the second most senior royal woman after the Queen.

But the option, which was technically available, of being Princess of WalesNoun 1. Princess of Wales - English aristocrat who was the first wife of Prince Charles; her death in an automobile accident in Paris produced intense national mourning (1961-1997)
Diana, Lady Diana Frances Spencer, Princess Diana
..... Click the link for more information., was never seriously considered.

"Legally she is to be the Princess of Wales but she has chosen not to use that title," said a senior royal aide."

[33girl]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I know absolutely nothing about British royal lineage. Could you explain?

Charles II was married but his wife never produced any kids. He did have a boatload of mistresses who DID reproduce. He duke-ified most of them, and Diana is descended from two of them.

King after Charles was his brother James, and then he was overthrown by his son-in-law. It was all because of the Protestant/Catholic tensions in England at the time.

[AnotherKD]

Originally Posted by honeychile

^I'm fairly certain (without looking it up) that Camilla gave up the possibility of being Queen as part of the pre-nup. Probably the same article you read.


Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cornwall but never Queen Camilla ;Charles excited...boys delighted; ROYAL WEDDING.

Byline: ROB SINGH

CAMILLA Parker Bowles is to be known as HRH the Duchess of Cornwall The Duchess of Cornwall is the title held by the wife of the Duke of Cornwall. Duke of Cornwall is a non-hereditary peerage held by the British Sovereign's eldest son and heir. once she marries Prince Charles - and will never be known as Queen.

When Charles accedes to the throne she will be known as Princess Consort.

The move to allow Charles to be King without his wife being Queen will have to be approved by a special Act of Parliament passed when he takes the throne.

The Queen approved her new daughter-in-law taking the style Her Royal Highness, making her the second most senior royal woman after the Queen.

But the option, which was technically available, of being Princess of WalesNoun 1. Princess of Wales - English aristocrat who was the first wife of Prince Charles; her death in an automobile accident in Paris produced intense national mourning (1961-1997)
Diana, Lady Diana Frances Spencer, Princess Diana
..... Click the link for more information., was never seriously considered.

"Legally she is to be the Princess of Wales but she has chosen not to use that title," said a senior royal aide."

Yes, but the current "King" (Philip) is not a King at all; he is Prince Consort. And I don't think that he gave up the name in a pre-nup. His is a case of not being a King by himself, needing the Queen to have any sort of monarch status. I know that Camilla didn't take the "Princess of Wales" title because the UK would have thrown a fit, and she knew they would. They still revere Di. (As do I. She and Philip were married on my first birthday!)

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honeychile

The British monarchy may be expensive to the everyday Englishman, Scot, Welshman or Northern Irishman, but they generate more revenue than most other outlays!

Fixed your post for you.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Because theoretically William now has a "suitable" spouse and QEII would feel comfortable excluding him (the technical term) because of his divorce.

Not gonna happen.

Agreed, though I predict a relatively short reign for Charles, like Edward VII.

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

Yes, but the current "King" (Philip) is not a King at all; he is Prince Consort. And I don't think that he gave up the name in a pre-nup. His is a case of not being a King by himself, needing the Queen to have any sort of monarch status.

Even with the Queen, Prince Phillip has no "monarch status."

There are two kinds of Queen in British law -- a queen regnant and a queen consort. A queen regnant is a sovereign in her own right; she is in effect a female king. A queen consort is the wife of a king, whose status is totally dependent on the status of her husband and who has no status of sovereign. (When the king dies, a queen consort is referred to as a queen doweger and, if mother of the current monarch by children from the marriage with the king, is "the Queen Mother.")

By contrast there is only one kind of king -- a king regnant or sovereign. Husbands of queens regnant are never styled as "kings"; they are prince consorts, like Prince Phillip, Prince Albert (Queen Victoria's husband) and Prince George (Queen Anne's husband).

The one exception to this has been William and Mary, both of whom were invited by Parliament to exercise coregnancy. That's why she was a Queen Regnant rather than a Queen Consort.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

Yes, but the current "King" (Philip) is not a King at all; he is Prince Consort. And I don't think that he gave up the name in a pre-nup. His is a case of not being a King by himself, needing the Queen to have any sort of monarch status. I know that Camilla didn't take the "Princess of Wales" title because the UK would have thrown a fit, and she knew they would. They still revere Di. (As do I. She and Philip were married on my first birthday!)

Philip is a Prince, not a consort. He is not King because QEII is the one royal blood, and her husband can't have a higher title than her. King is higher than Queen.


ETA: MC and I were typing at the same time. I've read that Philip is not considered a consort because they are religiously and civilly married, while Charles and Camilla are only civilly married.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Charles II was married but his wife never produced any kids. He did have a boatload of mistresses who DID reproduce. He duke-ified most of them, and Diana is descended from two of them.

King after Charles was his brother James, and then he was overthrown by his son-in-law. It was all because of the Protestant/Catholic tensions in England at the time.

Thanks!!!

I'm guessing all this happened back in the 1700's or something?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

King is higher than Queen.


ETA: MC and I were typing at the same time.

Right. But to be clear, King is not necessarily higher than Queen. Queen regnant = king. Queen consort < king.

I've read that Philip is not considered a consort because they are religiously and civilly married, while Charles and Camilla are only civilly married.

Is there a typo here? Philip is a prince consort.

[angels&angles]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Thanks!!!

I'm guessing all this happened back in the 1700's or something?

Charles II was king after Cromwell was killed. He was restored to the throne, the time between the English Civil War (death of Charles I; roundheads and cavaliers) and Charles II crowning is called the interregnum.

Charles II reigned during the Restoration (a time restoring and rejoicing in bawdy literature and drama, drinking, general revelry, after the puritan rule of Cromwell... some really great stuff came out of this time period). This was late late 17th century. When he died, his brother James became king, but was very unpopular. When James was overthrown - that was the Glorious Revolution, and William and Mary ascended.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Right. But to be clear, King is not necessarily higher than Queen. Queen regnant = king. Queen consort < king.


Is there a typo here? Philip is a prince consort.

I went back and read it, and I had misunderstood...while he IS a consort, his Official Styling doesn't include consort, whereas Camilla's would. Sorry...RIF on me.

[AnotherKD]

[QUOTE=MysticCat;2004311]Fixed your post for you.

Agreed, though I predict a relatively short reign for Charles, like Edward VII.

Even with the Queen, Prince Phillip has no "monarch status."
QUOTE]

You're right, I just used the wrong word for what I meant. I just kinda meant the monarchy in general (which is used by many to represent the UK Royal Family, if technically incorrect) instead of the actual "Monarch". But yes, you're right.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Philip is a Prince, not a consort. He is not King because QEII is the one royal blood, and her husband can't have a higher title than her. King is higher than Queen.


ETA: MC and I were typing at the same time. I've read that Philip is not considered a consort because they are religiously and civilly married, while Charles and Camilla are only civilly married.

No. He is a Prince Consort. In fact, he could be a King Consort if he wanted to; neither of those have any "royalty" attached to it. It's just a name. Both the same and up to royal discretion. When you say that King is higher than Queen, this isn't a game of cards. It's much more complicated than that.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I went back and read it, and I had misunderstood...while he IS a consort, his Official Styling doesn't include consort, whereas Camilla's would. Sorry...RIF on me.

Ah, gotcha.

FYI to anyone wondering, the "style" is how the royal is referred to formally (in Philip's case: His/Your Royal Highness). Prince Phillip's formal style and title in full is: His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, Baron Greenwich, Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Grand Master and First and Principal Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire, Member of the Order of Merit, Companion of the Order of Australia, Extra Companion of the Queen's Service Order, Royal Chief of the Order of Logohu, Canadian Forces Decoration, Lord of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, Privy Councillor of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Personal Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty.

More commonly, he is simply referred to as His Royal Highness, The Duke of Edinburgh.

[groovypq]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Ah, gotcha.

FYI to anyone wondering, the "style" is how the royal is referred to formally (in Philip's case: His/Your Royal Highness). Prince Phillip's formal style and title in full is: His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, Baron Greenwich, Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Grand Master and First and Principal Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire, Member of the Order of Merit, Companion of the Order of Australia, Extra Companion of the Queen's Service Order, Royal Chief of the Order of Logohu, Canadian Forces Decoration, Lord of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, Privy Councillor of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Personal Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty.

More commonly, he is simply referred to as His Royal Highness, The Duke of Edinburgh.

Gesundheit.

[psusue]

This is a lane swerve, but I am completely impressed by all of this royal knowledge of my fellow GCers. I feel educated.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Ah, gotcha.

FYI to anyone wondering, the "style" is how the royal is referred to formally (in Philip's case: His/Your Royal Highness). Prince Phillip's formal style and title in full is: His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, Baron Greenwich, Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Grand Master and First and Principal Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire, Member of the Order of Merit, Companion of the Order of Australia, Extra Companion of the Queen's Service Order, Royal Chief of the Order of Logohu, Canadian Forces Decoration, Lord of Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council, Privy Councillor of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, Personal Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty.

More commonly, he is simply referred to as His Royal Highness, The Duke of Edinburgh.

Try fitting all that into a monogram.

[AlphaFrog]

This all reminds me of my "If Cinderella's father was royal enough to marry a woman with a title, why wasn't Cinderella royal enough to marry the prince (according to some telling like Ever After)?" Thread.