Stevia

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

weird that i saw this thread. a co-worker is on a diet and is using stevia. she made me taste it. it was horrible. i can't believe that it's natural sugar. if all other sugar tasted like that maybe we wouldn't be so overweight. o_o

Remember that it's a leaf/herb that happens to have a sweet taste but also comes with an herbal one. We have just found a way to use it as sugar.

[AlphaFrog]

Thanks, rhoyal.

I'm not really doing low carb/fat/whatever. I reached my goal weight, and now that I'm there, it would be so easy to just say "okay, diet over, I can now eat whatever" and gain a bunch back. I'm really just looking for some new options, since I tend to find one meal plan and stick with it day after day until I'm so sick of it I never want to see any of those foods again. Right now, it's acorn squash, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, and Campbell's Select Harvest Soup.

Re: Agave.... I like it a lot, and it does have 1gm fiber per serving, so it is diabetic friendly. I use it as pancake syrup. Fiber One has a good pancake mix. I've also found a whole wheat pancake receipe online that's really yummy. My dad is diabetic, so I like finding things I can make for him. My mom isn't very careful what she cooks for him.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Thanks, rhoyal.

I'm not really doing low carb/fat/whatever. I reached my goal weight, and now that I'm there, it would be so easy to just say "okay, diet over, I can now eat whatever" and gain a bunch back. I'm really just looking for some new options, since I tend to find one meal plan and stick with it day after day until I'm so sick of it I never want to see any of those foods again. Right now, it's acorn squash, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, and Campbell's Select Harvest Soup.

Re: Agave.... I like it a lot, and it does have 1gm fiber per serving, so it is diabetic friendly. I use it as pancake syrup. Fiber One has a good pancake mix. I've also found a whole wheat pancake receipe online that's really yummy. My dad is diabetic, so I like finding things I can make for him. My mom isn't very careful what she cooks for him.

I so wish it were true but 1gm fiber per serving doesn't at all = diabetic friendly and is not high fiber, although some diabetics may be able to handle having some in moderation. It's about the other carbs that are present once you subtract the fiber. The carbs that are left over after the fiber is subtracted is what affects blood sugar. However, it appears that Agave is low glycemic index, so this might make a difference for most/some. This is one of those foods where it will depend on the diabetic (again, some can tolerate more than others). Low glycemic or not, some will have no problem in moderation and others will, which is why it's important to test your blood sugar after eating, especially when trying new things so you know how it affects your blood sugar personally. And anyone can test their blood sugar, not just diabetics and pre-diabetics. The truth is that for many of us, our blood sugar is higher than it should be for optimum health and this is contributing to much illness and disease. We can all stand to eat less refined carbs/sugar and more fiber.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I so wish it were true but 1gm fiber per serving doesn't at all = diabetic friendly and is not high fiber, although some diabetics may be able to handle having some in moderation. It's about the other carbs that are present once you subtract the fiber. The carbs that are left over after the fiber is subtracted is what affects blood sugar. However, it appears that Agave is low glycemic index, so this might make a difference for most/some. This is one of those foods where it will depend on the diabetic (again, some can tolerate more than others). Low glycemic or not, some will have no problem in moderation and others will, which is why it's important to test your blood sugar after eating, especially when trying new things so you know how it affects your blood sugar personally. And anyone can test their blood sugar, not just diabetics and pre-diabetics. The truth is that for many of us, our blood sugar is higher than it should be for optimum health and this is contributing to much illness and disease. We can all stand to eat less refined carbs/sugar and more fiber.

The internet tells me agave is:

Total Carbohydrates (By Difference) 16 g (5%)
Dietary Fiber 1g (4%)
Sugar 15 g

And

One of the most interesting agave nectar nutrition facts is that it is about 1.4 to 1.6 sweeter than sugar, however, it has a desirable low glycemic index. This is not in the case of sugar, which is merely a processed sweetener and contains no nutrition except calories. Being a low glycemic index food, agave nectar does not cause sharp rise in blood sugar level, nor causes sharp fall. The agave nectar has a glycemic value of 27, compared to other sweeteners which have values of 32 and above.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Thanks, rhoyal.

I'm not really doing low carb/fat/whatever. I reached my goal weight, and now that I'm there, it would be so easy to just say "okay, diet over, I can now eat whatever" and gain a bunch back. I'm really just looking for some new options, since I tend to find one meal plan and stick with it day after day until I'm so sick of it I never want to see any of those foods again. Right now, it's acorn squash, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, and Campbell's Select Harvest Soup.

Re: Agave.... I like it a lot, and it does have 1gm fiber per serving, so it is diabetic friendly. I use it as pancake syrup. Fiber One has a good pancake mix. I've also found a whole wheat pancake receipe online that's really yummy. My dad is diabetic, so I like finding things I can make for him. My mom isn't very careful what she cooks for him.

Also check out netrition.com and carbsmart.com for your dad. They have great products that you won't find in the average store. All kinds of sugar free goodies and carb sensitive products including syrups, pancake mixes, cookie mixes, and the best low carb tortilla I've found anywhere...tastes great and not just for a low carb wrap (Mama Lupe's). When I first found these sites I was in heaven.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The internet tells me agave is:

Total Carbohydrates (By Difference) 16 g (5%)
Dietary Fiber 1g (4%)
Sugar 15 g

And

Yes, that's 15g total impactful carbs but overall, the text doesn't matter. You have to test yourself to find out how something impacts your blood sugar personally. I have eaten things that according to the nutrition facts shouldn't have been a problem and were for me...so as much as some of us hate it, we have to test our blood sugar regularly.

[DrPhil]

I use Splenda or Agave syrup. Agave is really sweet and you don't need to use that much. I also use organic honey as a sweetener.

I use brown sugar when I make sweet potatoes.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I use Splenda or Agave syrup. Agave is really sweet and you don't need to use that much. I also use organic honey as a sweetener.

I use brown sugar when I make sweet potatoes.

I think I'll try the Agave and see how it affects me. You should try the liquid splenda...I'm almost certain you won't want to go back to powder.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Thanks. I have seen the liquid sweeteners in the store and I think I also saw the liquid Splenda.

Now, I must say that I'm heavy handed. I can see myself using waaaay too much. I'll blame you. LOL.

LOL. I purchase the brand at http://www6.netrition.com/ezsweetz.html. The bottle only allows you to squeeze a drop at a time although you can go crazy with the drops as I have been known to do on occasion. However, be careful because it will be too sweet since each drop = one packet of the powder stuff. It tastes so much better though, I guess because it's without the chemical fillers and I love that you don't have to dissolve anything. And the little bottles are so convenient and lasts long. I keep one for home and one for my purse. I go out to dinner now and don't have to settle for equal or something else. I just whip out my little bottle and watch my friends' faces..."Oh no she didn't..."

If you get some, let me know how you like it.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Thanks, rhoyal.

I'm not really doing low carb/fat/whatever. I reached my goal weight, and now that I'm there, it would be so easy to just say "okay, diet over, I can now eat whatever" and gain a bunch back. I'm really just looking for some new options, since I tend to find one meal plan and stick with it day after day until I'm so sick of it I never want to see any of those foods again. Right now, it's acorn squash, pumpkin, sweet potatoes, and Campbell's Select Harvest Soup.

Re: Agave.... I like it a lot, and it does have 1gm fiber per serving, so it is diabetic friendly. I use it as pancake syrup. Fiber One has a good pancake mix. I've also found a whole wheat pancake receipe online that's really yummy. My dad is diabetic, so I like finding things I can make for him. My mom isn't very careful what she cooks for him.

Every diabetic person has different needs but with my bff she seems to function better the more protein she has and I'm not going to explain this well at the moment but protein has an effect with carbohydrates that can offset a spike in blood sugar, so if there are say, lentils and meat, rice isn't as much of an issue. One item that is full of protein but can be used like a grain is quinoa and you may be successful using that with your father. It packs a lot of protein and a low glycemic index, and it can be made into salad, put in soups, and I have used it like rice for a stir fry and in turkey meatloaf to keep moisture instead of breadcrumbs.

I'd check those soups because the amount of sodium in the majority of prepared foods is insane, and even in the healthy request and select harvest it is still very high. I have found some brands that are often organic that come in the juice box style with a lot less sodium that also have fiber, but not all, Imagine brand is a decent one. Of course we could make our own soup but I keep those containers of soup at work for the times I have no time or haven't planned ahead. Sodium is kind of crazy because it can mess with your blood pressure and cause water retention and bloating that can be no bueno if you're doing a costume fitting.

[honeychile]

I'm getting such an education, and I appreciate it, y'all. There's a genetic eye disorder in my family (as if the freckle on my retina isn't enough!), so I want to make sure that I don't become a diabetic!

I'll be reading and rereading all of this information!

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Every diabetic person has different needs but with my bff she seems to function better the more protein she has and I'm not going to explain this well at the moment but protein has an effect with carbohydrates that can offset a spike in blood sugar, so if there are say, lentils and meat, rice isn't as much of an issue. One item that is full of protein but can be used like a grain is quinoa and you may be successful using that with your father. It packs a lot of protein and a low glycemic index, and it can be made into salad, put in soups, and I have used it like rice for a stir fry and in turkey meatloaf to keep moisture instead of breadcrumbs.

I'd check those soups because the amount of sodium in the majority of prepared foods is insane, and even in the healthy request and select harvest it is still very high. I have found some brands that are often organic that come in the juice box style with a lot less sodium that also have fiber, but not all, Imagine brand is a decent one. Of course we could make our own soup but I keep those containers of soup at work for the times I have no time or haven't planned ahead. Sodium is kind of crazy because it can mess with your blood pressure and cause water retention and bloating that can be no bueno if you're doing a costume fitting.

This is true to an extent but I wouldn't say "offset" at all. It can be dangerous for a diabetic to think this unless they have proof through testing. What does happen is that eating protein or even adding some fat for that matter to carbs, can lessen the blow so to speak or make it so that the spike isn't as high as it would be if eating carbs alone, or it could just be a delay in the spike, which is why testing sometimes 4/5 hours later is necessary. However, like you stated every diabetic is different and some are more sensitive to carbs than others. For some, protein/fat added to carbs or not, too many carbs in a meal and the blood sugar becomes abnormally high; maybe not as high as eating carbs alone but still too high to be acceptable.

An excellent book that breaks all of this down, is very easy to read, and presents the experiences of many long time diabetics is Blood Sugar 101 by Jenny Ruhl. I found this book later, after reading others, but wish I had it when I was newly diagnosed. It would have saved me a lot of confusion and frustration, but I recommend it to all diabetics and their supporters or just anyone that is interested in the topic. Actually, everyone should be concerned about their blood sugar and for some, it's already too high even though their doctor might not say anything until they're in the pre-diabetic range, which is really too late. Some never get to the pre-diabetic range but might still have issues related to high blood sugar.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I'm getting such an education, and I appreciate it, y'all. There's a genetic eye disorder in my family (as if the freckle on my retina isn't enough!), so I want to make sure that I don't become a diabetic!

I'll be reading and rereading all of this information!

Great, taking your destiny into your own hands. Read Blood Sugar 101 by Jenny Ruhl. If you only have one book on the topic (although others are great as well), make it this one...so easy to understand. You'll appreciate it even if you're not diabetic but if you are, you will feel such relief and understanding that possibly you're doctor could not provide. You'll nod your head in agreement as you read and holler out, "yes! that's what happened to me!" and "I was wondering why I felt that way"...etc. Give it to a diabetic as a gift.

[DubaiSis]

I've been really happy with Stevia. I don't think it has the aftertaste of some others, wasn't developed to be rat poison (Splenda) and has no tie in whatsoever with Dick Cheney (also Splenda). I like that it's plant based, renewable, and if you can't take real sugar for your waistline or you blood tests, I think this is the best alternative.