I'm honestly a little appalled.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

So I'm at a new school for graduate school right now and it has a large Greek Life segment. A couple weeks ago, I was walking around campus and saw a girl with a shirt that said "PIKE and Alpha Chi Omega Pre-Game Party 2010" and on the back, a picture of a tipped over beer pong cup with the phrase "One down, nine to go!". I was SHOCKED. I know there's still a lot of drinking in letters, etc that goes on behind closed doors but I did not realize it was so blatant. My undergrad was very strict on these things and if you were drinking in letters, OTHER Greeks would tell you off.

Is this standard at larger schools?? I am seriously appalled.

!LOL!

Tacky.....I'll give you that but shocking and appalling.....not at all.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

!LOL!

Tacky.....I'll give you that but shocking and appalling.....not at all.

Bottom line...

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

So I'm at a new school for graduate school right now and it has a large Greek Life segment. A couple weeks ago, I was walking around campus and saw a girl with a shirt that said "PIKE and Alpha Chi Omega Pre-Game Party 2010" and on the back, a picture of a tipped over beer pong cup with the phrase "One down, nine to go!". I was SHOCKED. I know there's still a lot of drinking in letters, etc that goes on behind closed doors but I did not realize it was so blatant. My undergrad was very strict on these things and if you were drinking in letters, OTHER Greeks would tell you off.

Is this standard at larger schools?? I am seriously appalled.

But it's not your undergrad school. Every campus has a different culture. Let it go.

[Barbie's_Rush]

I think I'm going to have to invest some money in the pearl industry now. The cost of pearls is bound to go sky high soon because people are going to need replacements due to the all the wear and tear happening to their necklaces from pearl clutching in this thread.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

I think I'm going to have to invest some money in the pearl industry now. The cost of pearls is bound to go sky high soon because people are going to need replacements due to the all the wear and tear happening to their necklaces from pearl clutching in this thread.

lol

[fantASTic]

Heh. Honestly, you guys might think I'm overreacting, but I was under the impression that a shirt CLEARLY about drinking was against NPC rules. You'd just think they'd try not to be so...obnoxious about it.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Heh. Honestly, you guys might think I'm overreacting, but I was under the impression that a shirt CLEARLY about drinking was against NPC rules. You'd just think they'd try not to be so...obnoxious about it.

It's the use of the word appalled I think. This is similar, to me, to the individual who was going to stop a jogger in another sorority and admonish her for wearing her letters while she was jogging.

You're learning that your campus culture is not the same as other campus cultures and that the rules you learned as 'THE RULES' were not actually 'THE RULES' for national orgs or the NPC. When it comes down to it, it's not surprising you went at first, but continuing to be horrified and appalled is where the overkill comes in.

Also, I do agree that this was probably a pre-game T-shirt, not a T-shirt about 'pregaming' before a party. Because who does that, seriously?

[DrPhil]

One person's appalling is another person's "meh."

The biggest thing is to only be concerned with your own GLO. When it comes to Delta, it doesn't matter if it isn't my collegiate or alumnae chapter. What every chapter does matters when wearing Delta symbols. I can't instill my chapter's protocol on every chapter and every Soror. But Delta has already instilled what is not appropriate with Delta symbols.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Heh. Honestly, you guys might think I'm overreacting, but I was under the impression that a shirt CLEARLY about drinking was against NPC rules. You'd just think they'd try not to be so...obnoxious about it.

Don't individual sorority's rules trump NPC rules?

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Heh. Honestly, you guys might think I'm overreacting, but I was under the impression that a shirt CLEARLY about drinking was against NPC rules. You'd just think they'd try not to be so...obnoxious about it.

Is this really an NPC "rule" or a myth like the "brothel law"? When I was an undergrad, fraternities and sororities at both my schools drank in letters. At my first school, where most people lived on campus (we didn't have houses but a lot of Greeks lived in clusters in the campus apartments), the people hosting parties (usually members of a fraternity) were always wearing letters. Sorority members did, too. To this day, I'm pretty sure it's the same way on campus, at least from what I've seen in recent pictures.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Don't individual sorority's rules trump NPC rules?

Generally NPC rules involve things that the sororities collaborate on -recruitment or expansion, or they've all agreed to the rules in advance so there aren't conflicts.

However I don't believe that the NPC has any rules about T-shirts. The Panhellenic council on some campuses might, but again that's campus specific.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

One person's appalling is another person's "meh."

The biggest thing is to only be concerned with your own GLO. When it comes to Delta, it doesn't matter if it isn't my collegiate or alumnae chapter. What every chapter does matters when wearing Delta symbols. I can't instill my chapter's protocol on every chapter and every Soror. But Delta has already instilled what is not appropriate with Delta symbols.

Yep. I can't control other orgs. Heck, I can't even control what goes on in my own collegiate chapter. I can only control what goes on in chapters I work with.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's the use of the word appalled I think. This is similar, to me, to the individual who was going to stop a jogger in another sorority and admonish her for wearing her letters while she was jogging.

You're learning that your campus culture is not the same as other campus cultures and that the rules you learned as 'THE RULES' were not actually 'THE RULES' for national orgs or the NPC. When it comes down to it, it's not surprising you went at first, but continuing to be horrified and appalled is where the overkill comes in.

Also, I do agree that this was probably a pre-game T-shirt, not a T-shirt about 'pregaming' before a party. Because who does that, seriously?

Yes, you're a little right. It's a TOTALLY different type of school in all ways from my undergrad. But it's not like I said anything to her, and I wouldn't; I just wanted to see what y'all thought.

The shirt did specifically say "Pre-game party".

See, that is interesting, though, because I was under the impression that ALL NPCs were required to be alcohol-free (e.g. XYZ cannot have alcohol at rush if they are part of NPC, they cannot have parties in the house if they are in NPC, etc).

Different strokes for different...schools, I guess.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Yes, you're a little right. It's a TOTALLY different type of school in all ways from my undergrad. But it's not like I said anything to her, and I wouldn't; I just wanted to see what y'all thought.

The shirt did specifically say "Pre-game party".

See, that is interesting, though, because I was under the impression that ALL NPCs were required to be alcohol-free (e.g. XYZ cannot have alcohol at rush if they are part of NPC, they cannot have parties in the house if they are in NPC, etc).

Different strokes for different...schools, I guess.

They are encouraged to lay off the sauce, but not required. It's truly a campus culture thing. While fraternities at my school often drink in letters you'll rarely if ever see a sorority woman drinking in letters, and she gets the stink eye if she does. There would never have been a shirt like this made by any sorority on campus. But I've got plenty of friends that were active at far larger schools with huge party reputations and it was a whole different ballgame...which is why the shirt, while very tacky IMO, isn't exactly a shock to many people.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Yes, you're a little right. It's a TOTALLY different type of school in all ways from my undergrad. But it's not like I said anything to her, and I wouldn't; I just wanted to see what y'all thought.

The shirt did specifically say "Pre-game party".

See, that is interesting, though, because I was under the impression that ALL NPCs were required to be alcohol-free (e.g. XYZ cannot have alcohol at rush if they are part of NPC, they cannot have parties in the house if they are in NPC, etc).

Different strokes for different...schools, I guess.

I didn't think you were hunting her down to yell at her

And while the NPC does have rules about dry houses and recruitment, they do not require the GLOs to be entirely dry. Said rules are unanimous agreements if I recall correctly. If it was a recruitment T-shirt saying "Come get sloshed with the Sigma Lambda Omicron Sigma Etas!" I'm fairly certain there would be a problem. But as an 'event' shirt, it's up to the chapter/org.