19YO Former Howard Univ Student Aiyisha Hassan Commits Suicide

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by agzg

I read somewhere that LGBT Teenagers are 4x more likely to commit suicide than the rest of the population. I'll start looking for where I read that...

http://www.thetrevorproject.org/suic...suicidal-signs

There it is!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by xp2k

....then again...I guess you could say that for every community....

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[southbymidwest]

It is still terribly sad. My thoughts and prayers are with her loved ones.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

http://www.thetrevorproject.org/suic...suicidal-signs

There it is!

Ah! Thanks! My computer was running really slow so I went to re-start and I had 17 updates! I just signed back on to look for it now.

ETA: This report also states that gay teens are also 8.4% more likely to attempt suicide as well.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by xp2k

....then again...I guess you could say that for every community....

Then what was the point of the rest of your rant?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by xp2k

This is going to get me flamed but I have to say it.

I really wish people would stop warning readers and pretending to be psychic. Let people form their own opinions.

Originally Posted by xp2k

They persecute bisexual people and exclude ethnic minorities (specifically black -there's an article about blacks being the least desired group to date in the gay community) as well as overweight people.

Hello

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It can also be vilified in the GLBT communities when people are unwilling to accept the diversity within. That includes diversity based on gender identities, sexuality (not sexual orientation), race and ethnicity, culture, etc. As with other power minority groups, there are those who are GLBT who believe that there is a certain way to think, identify, and behave if you are GLBT.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by xp2k

This is going to get me flamed but I have to say it.

The gay community as a whole is one of the most closed minded communities I've ever come across. They persecute bisexual people and exclude ethnic minorities (specifically black -there's an article about blacks being the least desired group to date in the gay community) as well as overweight people.

you can be gay and racist. it's possible. you can also be gay and have biases against other people. so basically you're saying that a cross section of the gay community will think and function like everyone else. FASCINATING.

I hate to paint the gay community with a broad brush stroke because not every gay person I know is this way, but from discussions, readings, and anecdotal stories I've heard from minorities within the gay community, it's really quite shocking. (I used to work at a health center, and this was our main demographic).

then don't. oh, too late.

And the sad thing is that they arent even aware of the hypocrisy of it all.

and how do you know this?

I dont think gay people are the sinful, sex-crazed, pedophiles that some would want you to believe, but there are some things in their community that people need to open their eyes to.

....then again...I guess you could say that for every community....

all those dots before and after the bolded means you knew that when you came to that realization that everything you said before was void.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

and how do you know this?

As a trend and generalization, because many minority group members do not see the hypocrisy in being divisive and even discriminatory against other minority group members. As far as I'm concerned, depending on the topic, the jury is still out as to whether that is hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

all those dots before and after the bolded means you knew that when you came to that realization that everything you said before was void.

What he/she said before those dots was not void. He essentially said what I had already said. He just added a bunch of tone in an attempt to type something groundbreaking and flameworthy.

[xp2k]

Actually Dr. Phil, I typed my post as an agreement to your earlier post. I thought I had quoted it but I guess I hadnt. (just like it looks like i'm not quoting you again, but oh well...its not that serious)

To other people...my "point" is that every community has issues, and that the ones I listed were the ones that urked me about the gay community...that's really all...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by xp2k

Actually Dr. Phil, I typed my post as an agreement to your earlier post. I thought I had quoted it but I guess I hadnt. (just like it looks like i'm not quoting you again, but oh well...its not that serious)

To other people...my "point" is that every community has issues, and that the ones I listed were the ones that urked me about the gay community...that's really all...

The points that irked you about the gay community are points that exist in other communities as well.

- Dark vs. Light-skinned blacks
- Mexican vs. Puerto Ricans vs. etc
- Degree holders vs. "Common" folks
- Rich vs. poor
etc.

No group is going to fit neatly into a box, and its members aren't necessarily going to like every other member. This is not exclusive to the gay community.

So, again, what was your point?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by xp2k

Actually Dr. Phil, I typed my post as an agreement to your earlier post. I thought I had quoted it but I guess I hadnt. (just like it looks like i'm not quoting you again, but oh well...its not that serious)

To other people...my "point" is that every community has issues, and that the ones I listed were the ones that urked me about the gay community...that's really all...

If you insist. People usually say "I'm going to get flamed for this" when they think they're saying something that is unpopular and that hasn't already been said.

But, congrats on getting the types of responses that you were aiming for.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

The points that irked you about the gay community are points that exist in other communities as well.

- Dark vs. Light-skinned blacks
- Mexican vs. Puerto Ricans vs. etc
- Degree holders vs. "Common" folks
- Rich vs. poor
etc.

No group is going to fit neatly into a box, and its members aren't necessarily going to like every other member. This is not exclusive to the gay community.

So, again, what was your point?

LOL. How are you able to summarize her/his point if you don't know what her/his point is?

Xp2k's tone and vent aside, there are GLBT people who are taken aback when they find the divisions within the GLBT communities. So, while it sounds like "common sense" to some people, it is a valid observation and a valid concern that has been the subject of many discussions and internal and external conflicts.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL. How are you able to summarize his point if you don't know what his point is?

(Is it he?) He said that he was basically co-signing with your post.

I read yours as "Yes, there may have been outside triggers, but there are also things within the GLBT community that could have affected this girl."

I read his as "OMGAWWWWD I HATE WHEN GAYS DO THIS AND THAT. IT'S SO GAY WHEN GAYS DO THESE THINGS. But everyone else does them to."

I am still trying to figure out why he posted that tirade (not what he said).

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

(Is it he?) He said that he was basically co-signing with your post.

I read yours as "Yes, there may have been outside triggers, but there are also things within the GLBT community that could have affected this girl."

I read his as "OMGAWWWWD I HATE WHEN GAYS DO THIS AND THAT. IT'S SO GAY WHEN GAYS DO THESE THINGS. But everyone else does them to."

I am still trying to figure out why he posted that tirade.

It could be a "she."

LOL. She/he was venting and I don't think she/he intended to co-sign my post. But, you understand the point being made when you remove all of the vent stuff. Take away the stuff like "the GLBT community gets on my damn nerves because they are some of the most closeminded." As with any other minority group, only members of the GLBT community can say things like that, perhaps replacing "they" with "we" and having a completely different connotation.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It could be a "she."

LOL. She/he was venting and I don't think she/he intended to co-sign my post. But, you understand the point being made when you remove all of the vent stuff. Take away the stuff like "the GLBT community gets on my damn nerves because they are some of the most closeminded." As with any other minority group, only members of the GLBT community can say things like that, perhaps replacing "they" with "we" and having a completely different connotation.

I can see that.

Perhaps if s/he had quoted your post, it wouldn't have come off as bad. But I still see it as a "10 Things I Hate About Gays" checklist rather than an alternate POV.