B.E. article on APhiA Arizona Boycott.

[Senusret I]

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[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

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[BluPhire]

Exactly. That's why you don't see many blacks at the immigration rallies. Because it isn't "our" fight.

As for his case for Afro-Carribeans obviously the author has not seen the great disparity between how Haitians are treated when they try to immigrate to America as compared to Mexicans (who are exploited for slave wages) and Cubans (who are held as heroes for daring to escape the communistic regime of Castro, which by the way I do not support as well.)

[BabyPiNK_FL]

I am glad to hear this. I wish my own fraternity had done the same. The current president of my collegiate chapter is a new citizen born in a South American country and made sure to note (in jest partially and in truth partially) on her facebook status that she intended to bring her passport with her. Many of chapter's alumnae (if not all) traveling to the event were also Latinas. I wish HQ had chosen to make a strong a stand as Alpha Phi Alpha has.

[BluPhire]

Did something happen between last night and this morning?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Did something happen between last night and this morning?

The dude apologized for posting in a fraternity specific forum and then apparently deleted both posts.

And then Sen did too?

Or a mod did it all. In which case I don't care if this sticks around after BluPhire sees it.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The dude apologized for posting in a fraternity specific forum and then apparently deleted both posts.

And then Sen did too?

That's what happened, and I only deleted mine because he asked politely, but I still told him that I appreciated respectful discourse no matter what lane it's in. I don't care about "lane swerving" if you can intellectually contribute to the discourse.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

That's what happened, and I only deleted mine because he asked politely, but I still told him that I appreciated respectful discourse no matter what lane it's in. I don't care about "lane swerving" if you can intellectually contribute to the discourse.

You with your reasonableness.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You with your reasonableness.

LOL

I can't be bad cop all the time.

[The Original Ape]

what about illegal EUROPEAN immigrants?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by The Original Ape

what about illegal EUROPEAN immigrants?

Same issue applies.....

It's not the origin of their country, it is the fact that they are illegal.


It's just that in this part of Texas, illegal Hispanics seem to be the most common. Besides, of the Europeans that I know, they really don't have a hard time getting visas to stay in the US. For everyone else, it can be a very long and very expensive process.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

of the Europeans that I know, they really don't have a hard time getting visas to stay in the US. For everyone else, it can be a very long and very expensive process.

This has also been my experience.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

It's not the origin of their country, it is the fact that they are illegal.

But, it is about the country of origin. The illegal immigrant initiatives aren't targeting all illegal immigrants. They are directed toward illegal immigrants from brown and black nations and particularly Spanish speaking countries. These are the countries whose immigrants have been correlated with disproportionate crime and low income living in America. The immigrants from white nations get a pass, regardless of what people say to be PC, because they easily assimilate into whiteness (or, into America since "whiteness" and "America" still go hand-in-hand).

I caught a snippet on CNN that this illegal immigrant law is about to pass in AZ and another state that is far away from the borders is considering a law.

ETA: I also read the rest of your post about European immigrants having less difficulty getting visas. I agree and I believe that's also represented in the lower percentage of European immigrants who are illegal. That issue alone highlights another potential problem with this illegal immigration law. However, getting a visa with less difficulty doesn't erase the fact that you can overstay your visa and still become an illegal immigrant. That is something that has become an issue for immigrants from nonSpanish speaking countries. A CNN news story stated that illegal immigrants who have tried to return to their country are unable to do so because officials will see that they overstayed their visa. Therefore, they can't stay and they can't leave. What to do?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

But, it is about the country of origin. The illegal immigrant initiatives aren't targeting all illegal immigrants. They are directed toward illegal immigrants from brown and black nations and particularly Spanish speaking countries. These are the countries whose immigrants have been correlated with disproportionate crime and low income living in America.

You're right. I don't know if you have seen in the news lately that there are extremely violent drug cartels in Mexico. They are / have been trying to push their violence into the US. The best way to stop it is to stop them at the border. There are also those Mexican citizens who have nothing to do with the drug violence, but because they 'all look alike', everyone becomes suspect. Is it right / fair? No, but that is what is happening. Also, I'm sure that if there were just as bad drug cartels coming out of Canada, there would be efforts to try to secure the US/Canadian border, who knows.

The immigrants from white nations get a pass, regardless of what people say to be PC, because they easily assimilate into whiteness (or, into America since "whiteness" and "America" still go hand-in-hand).

I agree here too.

I caught a snippet on CNN that this illegal immigrant law is about to pass in AZ and another state that is far away from the borders is considering a law.

I'd much rather states take the initiative to control this issue over those wacko blatantly racist militia groups who hang out in Idaho.

ETA: I also read the rest of your post about European immigrants having less difficulty getting visas. I agree and I believe that's also represented in the lower percentage of European immigrants who are illegal. That issue alone highlights another potential problem with this illegal immigration law. However, getting a visa with less difficulty doesn't erase the fact that you can overstay your visa and still become an illegal immigrant. That is something that has become an issue for immigrants from nonSpanish speaking countries. A CNN news story stated that illegal immigrants who have tried to return to their country are unable to do so because officials will see that they overstayed their visa. Therefore, they can't stay and they can't leave. What to do?

Hang out in Canada until they can clear up their issue?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

You're right. I don't know if you have seen in the news lately that there are extremely violent drug cartels in Mexico. They are / have been trying to push their violence into the US. The best way to stop it is to stop them at the border. There are also those Mexican citizens who have nothing to do with the drug violence, but because they 'all look alike', everyone becomes suspect. Is it right / fair? No, but that is what is happening. Also, I'm sure that if there were just as bad drug cartels coming out of Canada, there would be efforts to try to secure the US/Canadian border, who knows.

So, for this reason and other reasons, country of origin and race and ethnicity do matter. This isn't just an issue of illegal immigration and people need to stop pretending as though there is equality in the illegal immigration debate.