10-year-old's pregnancy fuels Mexican abortion debate

[tld221]

I'm pro-choice as well, but is a 10 year old in the right mind to choose? I mean she didn't ask to have this child.

Imma wait for the SVU ep to see how this plays out. Looking forward to the immigration twist to make it relevant in the US.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by tld221

Imma wait for the SVU ep to see how this plays out. Looking forward to the immigration twist to make it relevant in the US.

LOL

I agree with AOII Angel. There is no good outcome for this little girl, no matter which way the pendulum swings.

I could swear I saw an interview with a 10yo from Egypt who had given birth a couple years ago so I Wiki'd it. Couldn't find her, but there's a lot more. The youngest mother was age 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._birth_mothers

/factoftheday

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

LOL

I agree with AOII Angel. There is no good outcome for this little girl, no matter which way the pendulum swings.

I could swear I saw an interview with a 10yo from Egypt who had given birth a couple years ago so I Wiki'd it. Couldn't find her, but there's a lot more. The youngest mother was age 5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._birth_mothers

/factoftheday

to the power of nine million

I'm not even going to click on that. That really is the wrongest thing I've hear in a while. 5!? How is that even posible?

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

How is that even posible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precocious_puberty It happens to boys, too btw.

Since we're on the subject, it seems to be normal in Bulgaria, too: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...r_wedding.html. Now, THAT'S a sad story.

In regard to having babies young (not talking about conset right now, but the practice in general), how did something so horrifying become so common? Or is it just horrifying to us because we've made it uncommon?

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Since we're on the subject, it seems to be normal in Bulgaria, too: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...r_wedding.html. Now, THAT'S a sad story.

Yes and No. She's a gypsy, not a Bulgarian.

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I know, I was referring to the part of the article where the grandmother said it's normal for their girls (in Bulgaria) to have babies young--she just didn't want that for her granddaughter.

No it's not normal for Bulgarians, but is for gypsies. Even when my grandmother lived there, it was unusual to have children before 16. And that was 100 years ago.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precocious_puberty It happens to boys, too btw.

Since we're on the subject, it seems to be normal in Bulgaria, too: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...r_wedding.html. Now, THAT'S a sad story.

In regard to having babies young (not talking about conset right now, but the practice in general), how did something so horrifying become so common? Or is it just horrifying to us because we've made it uncommon?

Is IS horrifying. Just the other day there was a story all over the news about a 13-year-old girl in Yemen who died after having sex with her (much) older husband shortly after they were married: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100410/...en_child_bride

Then there's this: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5307092.shtml

And this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7351336.stm

Just because it happens doesn't make it right.

[RU OX Alum]

^^^sick. That story wasn't really about Bulgarians though.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

^^^sick. That story wasn't really about Bulgarians though.

I know, I was referring to the part of the article where the grandmother said it's normal for their girls (in Bulgaria) to have babies young--she just didn't want that for her granddaughter.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I know, I was referring to the part of the article where the grandmother said it's normal for their girls (in Bulgaria) to have babies young--she just didn't want that for her granddaughter.

That's what I meant. The grandmother said their girls. They can be anywhere, they aren't real Bulgarians that they're talking about. When she said "our girls" she meant gypsie girls. These aren't Bulgarians, they're just a bunch of gypsies who happen to be in Bulgaria.

[christiangirl]

Where on earth do you see that?

[RU OX Alum]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...r_wedding.html

It's down at the bottom. Roma is gypsie from the word Rom which is their name for their bloodline. No one has Roma weddings but gypsies, they're in no way Bulgarian.

[christiangirl]

Page not found.

Either way "our girls" refers to some group or sub-group where having children young is normal which was my point in the first place.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Page not found.

Either way "our girls" refers to some group or sub-group where having children young is normal which was my point in the first place.

Yeah, and it is for gypsies.

[christiangirl]

Those are huge, too. No one but this girl knows which would cause her more psychological pain. Honestly, different people have different breaking points and only she would know which situation would leave her worse off emotionally (and she may not even know till she's older and it's too late). She could look back on this in 10 years--even in 5 years--and be totally devastated at having been forced to have an abortion. She could be racked with feelings of guilt, regret, and helplessness for the rest of her life. Heck, that could happen even if she has one willingly. Or she could have the same feelings over carrying a baby she clearly didn't ask for. She's going to be dealing with the scars of her rape regardless of whatever else happens. That's why I say there is no possible way this can turn out okay for her. For the sake of leaving her with as little "damage" as possible, one could err on the side of caution...but with such a volatile issue, what side is that and who gets to decide?

ETA: On that note, I wonder if anyone's asked the girl what she wants to do. If she voiced a decision, would anyone go with her wish (whatever it was) or just point out that she's 10 and "doesn't understand the consequences?"

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

No one but this girl knows which would cause her more psychological pain. Honestly, different people have different breaking points and only she would know which situation would leave her worse off emotionally (and she may not even know till she's older and it's too late).

The girl doesn't know that. Adults can't predict their mental and emotional well-being so a 10 year old darn sure can't.

Originally Posted by christiangirl

ETA: On that note, I wonder if anyone's asked the girl what she wants to do. If she voiced a decision, would anyone go with her wish (whatever it was) or just point out that she's 10 and "doesn't understand the consequences?"

As far as I'm concerned, she is below the age of consent for sex and below the age of decision making capacity. Societies can't have it both ways. You can't tell children that they are children and then give them life altering decisions to make where their choices will be the end-all that can't be overridden by the adult decision makers.

The adults should do what they think is the right decision (hopefully, abortion) and get her into counseling until she's 100 years old.