Because South Carolina doesn't need more press

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

There is no such thing as being underpaid.

You agree to work for a certain wage. If you are underpaid, you have a valid complaint for the labor department.

Originally Posted by Kevin

And if they had done well in high school or learned a trade, they just wouldn't be in that situation, now would they?

Kevin, your naiveté is showing.

[WVU alpha phi]

Originally Posted by epchick

Yes there is. You "agree" to work for that amount of money because if you don't, you won't get the job. And then that poor sap will have jackasses like you bitching for them to get off their "lazy ass" and get a job.

It's better to be working and "underpaid" than sitting around collecting tax payer's money because you feel you're "worth" more money. Sure, I'd love to be making more than I am and I feel like I deserve it, but that doesn't mean I'd quit my job because I feel "underpaid."

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And if they had done well in high school or learned a trade, they just wouldn't be in that situation, now would they?

College grads can get on welfare too ya know...I know of 2 right now.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by WVU alpha phi

It's better to be working and "underpaid" than sitting around collecting tax payer's money because you feel you're "worth" more money.

I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

College grads can get on welfare too ya know...I know of 2 right now.

This was also discussed in that "men are marrying..." thread.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.

In many people's minds it is all or nothing.

It's like we can't discuss inequality without retorts that really go without saying.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

College grads can get on welfare too ya know...I know of 2 right now.

I had heard about food stamps, too.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

College grads can get on welfare too ya know...I know of 2 right now.

If you consider unemployment to be welfare, I know of a whole lot more than that. Guys with MBAs (ex husband for one), mechanical engineers, chemical engineers, PhDs in chemistry, network administrators, bankers. The ranks of the unemployed are most definitely not limited to the uneducated.

[KSigkid]

When will politicians learn that they can't say whatever's on their mind? You put yourself in public office, you lose the right to go off on these tangents.

Originally Posted by Kevin

There is no such thing as being underpaid.

You agree to work for a certain wage. If you are underpaid, you have a valid complaint for the labor department. And as far as social class stereotypes are concerned, they're mostly accurate. If you learn a trade/value your education, you generally aren't going to end up in a lower class situation. For those that ended up there due to their own efforts (or usually lack thereof), I feel zero pity.

This is a whole other topic, and it's not completely related to poverty, so I hesitate to even get into it. But there is definitely a such thing as being "underpaid." Saying that no one is "underpaid" is at the least an overbroad statement, and I think you know that.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

This is a whole other topic, and it's not completely related to poverty, so I hesitate to even get into it. But there is definitely a such thing as being "underpaid." Saying that no one is "underpaid" is at the least an overbroad statement, and I think you know that.

Not really. We have a minimum wage. If someone's paid below that, they're underpaid. If they're paid more than that or at that, then they are paid what they agreed to be paid. If they're not being paid what they agreed to be paid, then they have a valid complaint for the Department of Labor. They may consider themselves underpaid, but that's a matter of opinion, not a matter of quantifiable fact.

And as far as being unemployed, I don't see how it isn't the worker's fault? Or that it should be up to the employed to subsidize the unemployed. Poor savings/spending habits, choosing to work in a doomed industry, etc. These are all personal choices or at the very least, they are gambles that turned out poorly. That's part of life in a non planned economy.

Heck.. my investment account was doing awesome until the market crash. Now it's mediocre. Those investment decisions were my choices as well. It's not my fault the market crashed. Maybe I should be receive government subsidy as well for my investment losses?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

They may consider themselves underpaid, but that's a matter of opinion, not a matter of quantifiable fact.

Which is a quite different thing from saying that there is no such thing as being underpaid.

Originally Posted by Kevin

And as far as being unemployed, I don't see how it isn't the worker's fault?

A worker gets laid off or his company goes out of business, that worker looks high and low everyday for a job -- any job -- but can't find one because no one is hiring, and it's the worker's fault he's unemployed? Seriously?

I'm all for taking personal responsibility into account, but sometimes things can be son out of someone's control that personal responsibility doesn't enter into it.

And the "they chose to work in a doomed industry" argument is just plain specious. Feckless (I love the chance to use that word) even.

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[RU OX Alum]

I thought being underpaid could be quantified by taking a median compenesation rate for someone in your position or a comprable one in your area. If you are below that, you are underpaid.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

I thought being underpaid could be quantified by taking a median compenesation rate for someone in your position or a comprable one in your area. If you are below that, you are underpaid.

There are several companies here who have cut pay by 4-10%. When that happens, you are definitely underpaid. Unless you were overpaid before.. but who is overpaid besides pro athletes and actors????

[33girl]

If he was going that route, he should have just went the whole way with it and advocated a TNR (Trap-Neuter-Return) program.

This guy reminds me of my ex-ex boss's giant douchebag of a son. Barf.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AGDee

... but who is overpaid besides pro athletes and actors????

Bank CEOs? Insurance Company CEOs?