Everybodys wants "brothers" now!!

[DOVE1920]

Originally posted by DivineZeta:

To have mutual respect for each other is one thing. But to actually call each other Frat or Soror?

At NPHC conventions everyone is referred to as Frat and Soror. I think its cool and represents our coming together in the name is Sisterhood/Brotherhood and Service. To each his/her own!

[Chi_ZETABBW]

I've posted at least a dozen topics in the last few months, none of which got much play. They were fun, light-hearted topics, something to pass the time away, while you all should be working. But this is the one that gets all the attention. I enjoy a good debate, but this is definitely not a topic that everyone will agree on, and can get nasty. Pull up some of my old topics, and lets have some fun.

[SoTrue1920]

Respectfully soror, there are many other things that make us different from the other sororities. If we need to hammer in that this bond is the ONLY thing that sets us apart, then perhaps we're not looking deeply enough.

I don't see it as a competition. I see it as each organization has traits, characteristics, and ideals that will fit person A better than person B. It need not degrade into discussions of who's better, or subtly backhanded comments about other organizations.

[GiggyZ]

Originally posted by Chi_ZETABBW:
I've posted at least a dozen topics in the last few months, none of which got much play. They were fun, light-hearted topics, something to pass the time away, while you all should be working. But this is the one that gets all the attention. I enjoy a good debate, but this is definitely not a topic that everyone will agree on, and can get nasty. Pull up some of my old topics, and lets have some fun.

Calm down Soror. Sometimes we need to vent like this. But I am moving on to your other topics.

[TRUE ZETA]

Originally posted by Shelacious:
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Sorors,

I see both sides of the coin. I don't so much get put out when other groups claim to have brother/sister relationships, as much as when other folks try and NEGATE the relationship Sigmas and Zetas have, which is usually done in the same breath ("I have XYZ love with ABC and we don't need a Constitution because our love is deeper than that and the Sigmas and Zetas don't even get along on my campus anyway so what does that Constitution prove..."). I was also brought in working closely with Phi Beta, and it was a good experience (for the most part ). I agree that Zeta/Sigma has to go beyond and above the call to ensure that our relationship is effective (any Soror ever been on a local Zeta/Sigma council...ohhhh weee!). However, Sorors short change the amazing history of our Sorority by jumping bad on THAT battle while allowing people to "bite" our principles (Sisterly Love, Finer Womanhood), or our Signature Programs without so much a whimper. To me, that's the greater crime.

We know how hard we work to establish our Bond, and we know we collectively could work much harder on the service level as our Founders envisioned. I also agree that we are all in the running for quality members, but if the only reason a woman wants to join a Sorority is because its relationship with a fraternity, then she is not a quality prospect.

In the end Sorors, our Constitutional Bond with Phi Beta is an important differentiator, but historically it's not the BIGGEST differentiator between Zeta and other organizations. So if other organizations have relationships with others to whom they feel close, so be it. Zeta and Sigma were founded to fulfill similar missions and goals in the community, under the same colors, letters and Constitution. No one will ever be able to understand that, so why hate? Let's clean up our own HOUSE ((clear throat)) Sorors.


I find some of the non chalant attitudes towards the frat and soror thing with other frats and sororities pretty upsettling. We dont need to clean house in Zeta as you said, but we do need to preserve what we do have in our houses. I am pretty sure that no one pledges Zeta strickly for the bond with Sigma, but I can tell you that it has been something that made Zeta shine above the rest. That is in additon to Finer Womanhood. If the AKAs said one of their thrusts was FINER WOMANHOOD would you all still share this same apathy? For my sorors to so easily let others have the same luxury as we have with our brothers is quite unsettling. I dont care what others call themselves BUT NO ONE HAS FRAT BROTHERS EXCEPT THE WOMEN OF ZETA.

[PrettyKitty]

Originally posted by TRUE ZETA:
I find some of the non chalant attitudes towards the frat and soror thing with other frats and sororities pretty upsettling. We dont need to clean house in Zeta as you said, but we do need to preserve what we do have in our houses. I am pretty sure that no one pledges Zeta strickly for the bond with Sigma, but I can tell you that it has been something that made Zeta shine above the rest. That is in additon to Finer Womanhood. If the AKAs said one of their thrusts was FINER WOMANHOOD would you all still share this same apathy? For my sorors to so easily let others have the same luxury as we have with our brothers is quite unsettling. I dont care what others call themselves BUT NO ONE HAS FRAT BROTHERS EXCEPT THE WOMEN OF ZETA.

Yes, I would Soror have an issue with an AKA that said that...but Finer Womanhood is a Zeta principle not a Sigma one. I pledged Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sigmas...but my first and primary concern is to the organiZation to which I pledged.

We don't have a non-chalant attitude at all...but we do have things to do in our own backyard...or as they say, more important fish to fry...If other people are going to say they are frat and soror, what are you going to do to stop them? Really, what can you do? Why waste time and energy trying to even reply to that non-sense? Laugh at it and move on. It's not that deep


Is our bond with the Sigmas special? Yes
Is our bond unique? Yes(but only w/i the NPHC)
Is our bond the best thing since sliced ham about ZPHIB? No
Is our bond lessened any by others claiming to have Frat and Sorors? No
Would Zeta be any less of an organiZation without our bond? No
Is Zeta an independent organiZation separate from Sigma? Yes


Now, let's move on and continue to talk about more pertinent issues.

Have a Blessed Day!

SZL,
PK

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The Epitome of Beauty, Style, and Grace, Always Exemplifying Good Taste, A Zeta Woman, A Finer Woman, That's Me!

[This message has been edited by PrettyKitty (edited August 01, 2001).]

[TRUE ZETA]

Originally posted by PrettyKitty:
Yes, I would Soror have an issue with an AKA that said that...but Finer Womanhood is a Zeta principle not a Sigma one. I pledged Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sigmas...but my first and primary concern is to the organiZation to which I pledged.

We don't have a non-chalant attitude at all...but we do have things to do in our own backyard...or as they say, more important fish to fry...If other people are going to say they are frat and soror, what are you going to do to stop them? Really, what can you do? Why waste time and energy trying to even reply to that non-sense? Laugh at it and move on. It's not that deep


Is our bond with the Sigmas special? Yes
Is our bond unique? Yes(but only w/i the NPHC)
Is our bond the best thing since sliced ham about ZPHIB? No
Is our bond lessened any by others claiming to have Frat and Sorors? No
Would Zeta be any less of an organiZation without our bond? No
Is Zeta an independent organiZation separate from Sigma? Yes


Now, let's move on and continue to talk about more pertinent issues.

Have a Blessed Day!

SZL,
PK

This is a PERTINENT ISSUE, and I neve said it was a principle. But, I do take it as an offense. I earned the right to called my brothers FRAT..no one else has.

[TRUE ZETA]

Originally posted by PrettyKitty:
Yes, I would Soror have an issue with an AKA that said that...but Finer Womanhood is a Zeta principle not a Sigma one. I pledged Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sigmas...but my first and primary concern is to the organiZation to which I pledged.

We don't have a non-chalant attitude at all...but we do have things to do in our own backyard...or as they say, more important fish to fry...If other people are going to say they are frat and soror, what are you going to do to stop them? Really, what can you do? Why waste time and energy trying to even reply to that non-sense? Laugh at it and move on. It's not that deep


Is our bond with the Sigmas special? Yes
Is our bond unique? Yes(but only w/i the NPHC)
Is our bond the best thing since sliced ham about ZPHIB? No
Is our bond lessened any by others claiming to have Frat and Sorors? No
Would Zeta be any less of an organiZation without our bond? No
Is Zeta an independent organiZation separate from Sigma? Yes


Now, let's move on and continue to talk about more pertinent issues.

Have a Blessed Day!

SZL,
PK

This is a PERTINENT ISSUE, and I neve said it was a principle. But, I do take it as an offense. I earned the right to called my brothers FRAT..no one else has.

[TRUE ZETA]

THIS THREAD IN ENDED SORORS... Z-PHI!!

[PrettyKitty]

Originally posted by GiggyZ:

Calm down Soror. Sometimes we need to vent like this. But I am moving on to your other topics.

**hugZ and doveZ** Big Sis...I hope I am as wise as you when I am 20 years into the Sisterhood.

Much Respect Soror!



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The Epitome of Beauty, Style, and Grace, Always Exemplifying Good Taste, A Zeta Woman, A Finer Woman, That's Me!

[mccoyred]

Since the previous thread was closed, I will respond here.

While I will not stoop to personal attacks, I will say that you (collectively Zetas) seem to be more concerned about your 'bond' than everyone else since the topic keeps finding it's way to the board. Yes, I have bigger fish to fry, but noone has yet to answer the question posed. Oh, well.

Now, back to my crimson and cream life...

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MCCOYRED
Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

[DivineZeta]

Originally posted by mccoyred:
Since the previous thread was closed, I will respond here.

While I will not stoop to personal attacks, I will say that you (collectively Zetas) seem to be more concerned about your 'bond' than everyone else since the topic keeps finding it's way to the board. Yes, I have bigger fish to fry, but noone has yet to answer the question posed. Oh, well.

Now, back to my crimson and cream life...

I was about to respond to your question before the thread was closed. So I will respond here.

Every knows that Zetas and Sigmas are a constitutional binding bond. We all agree that no one else has that.
So we imitate no one.
Others can claim whoever they want. And it can changes from campus to campus from. And it can vary from organization to organization.

With us, it never changes.
It is more than just "claiming" each other. We have significant ideals, principals, goals and programs in common.
So no matter if there were people who "claimed" each other in the past, We are the only constitutionally bounded. That's different from what others had before or have now.
Therefore, those who call each other Frat and Soror, are imitating the real deal.
The Blue and White Family of Zeta Phi Beta Sigma.

Maybe we are more concerned with our bond, because we are the only ones with a bond.

DivineZeta



[This message has been edited by DivineZeta (edited August 13, 2001).]

[celestial_blues]

did i just enter the muthuh fuhin twilight zone or some isht??? what happened to finer womanhood and all that...what happened to being a lovely lady beyond yo pretty face...and what happened to being a delta girl...the finest in the world...uh, huh...i guess that is in face only too...quite frankly i think you ALL are being rather childish...grow the uch up...and be about your business...and quit the petty bullisht...is that clear enough for you...do ya'll understand what i'm saying now...i'm happy flying the friendly skies...maybe ya'll should try it...

peace and many blessings...

[This message has been edited by celestial_blues (edited August 13, 2001).]

[SoTrue1920]

Hi mccoyred:

I think it's incorrect to say that Zetas as a collective are concerned with this issue. A few posts by a few Sorors who happen to post in the thread do not constitute a collective agreement among all the members of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. Just wanted to get that out of the way.

That being said, I'm going to give my response to ChaosDST's question about who was the first to claim a brother/sister bond:

In the books and articles I've read, no one has officially said when the bond between AKA and Alpha, DST and Omega really began. Perhaps it is because I'm not a member of any of those other illustrious organizations that I'm not privy to the exact date when an edict was passed that AKA and Alpha or Omega and Delta considered themselves brothers and sisters. Yet from Zeta's inception, we were formed as the official sister organiZation to Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. and that partnership began on January 16, 1920. It's been documented, it's in our constitutions, and it's an established matter of fact.

Regardless of who was first, the fact remains that we're the only officially bound NPHC organizations. If the Alpha Nation or the members of Delta and Omega want to make their bonds officially and constitutionally recognized, then so be it. If they desire a more informal relationship, well, that's all good too.

Now, I -- Cecily (in the guise of SoTrue1920) -- am not trying to downplay the very real affection that Alphas have for AKAs and Omegas have for Deltas. I know (albeit only from a cursory investigation) about the Alpha Nation and Coleman Love.

It's a dangerous thing to try to speak for anyone who's very capable of speaking for themselves, but I think that the bone of contention that some of my Sorors has raised is over the distinction of official and constitutionally bound brother/sister relationships.

I personally don't have any issues regarding whether the Alpha Nation or Coleman Love are real phenomena. From where I sit, it doesn't take anything away from the bond I share with my Sigma brethren.

Originally posted by mccoyred:
Since the previous thread was closed, I will respond here.

While I will not stoop to personal attacks, I will say that you (collectively Zetas) seem to be more concerned about your 'bond' than everyone else since the topic keeps finding it's way to the board. Yes, I have bigger fish to fry, but noone has yet to answer the question posed. Oh, well.

Now, back to my crimson and cream life...

[PrettyKitty]

Originally posted by mccoyred:
Since the previous thread was closed, I will respond here.

While I will not stoop to personal attacks, I will say that you (collectively Zetas) seem to be more concerned about your 'bond' than everyone else since the topic keeps finding it's way to the board. Yes, I have bigger fish to fry, but noone has yet to answer the question posed. Oh, well.

Now, back to my crimson and cream life...

My previous post was not to be a personal attack, I stated truth, in my frankness if I offended you, that was not my intent...but I am TRULY TIRED OF THIS TOPIC! As was stated by Cecily, only a few members have an issue with this, I am not one of them. So your ASS U m(e)ption is invalid. If you want to say you have a bond and reference things in the past, I am not going to stop you nor will it bother me in the least bit. I feel that am too old to be concerned with these matters, and I was made in Spr 95.

Peace!


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The Epitome of Beauty, Style, and Grace, Always Exemplifying Good Taste, A Zeta Woman, A Finer Woman, That's Me!