Release figures - Page 2

SoCalGirl · #16 08-31-2006, 09:49 PM

Thanks for the explanations! I guess I didn't really understand the new system afterall. The old system took into account the three year prior retention average so I guess it just seemed similar to me.

SoCalGirl · #17 09-01-2006, 10:15 PM

I'm debating it. I think I might make cookies for them.

KSUViolet06 · #18 09-04-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hannahgirl

I'm hoping that this system will be easier but not hurt the bigger chapters on campus. Like Jocelyn said....Kent will be using the new RFM this year. As a recruitment adviser I still feel very out of the loop as to how this works and such, but I'm hoping for the best. Glad to see this thread so I can get a sense of it before having to deal with it this weekend!

It's not supposed to hurt the larger chapters, it's just meant to help ensure that everyone meets quota (or gets close).

carnation · #19 09-04-2006, 02:10 PM

I think the way it sometimes hurts larger chapters is that it's not always easy to predict who might cut them. I'm told that at some recruitments, the bigger chapters have to cut 50% the first night and 25% more the second. At some schools with a lot of strong groups, it can be hard to figure out who will cut you--let's say that there are 10 really strong sororities out of 18 and the girls have to cut down to 6 sororities. If a strong sorority messes up in who they decide to cut, they could be waaayyy under the number they need for a strong rush. This is why that recently, several powerful chapters on strong Greek campuses haven't made quota.

kddani · #20 09-11-2006, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hannahgirl

i really hate this method......i'm sorry.....who ever thought of it was being rediculous!!!!

pardon me but i need to vent. when i spend the nights of 1st and 2nd parties at the house till 11pm and 12am because we have to discuss SO much.....i get a little ticked off! parties ended at 6 and 7pm.....it doesn't take 5 hours to drop!!!! 60% on 2nd round is OUTRAGOUS!!!!!

I remember nights like those.

I'm sure it's tough, and there is a lot to discuss, but there's probably a more expendient way for you guys to do the cuts. Obviously I don't know (nor do I want to know) details of your membership selection process, but in cases like this someone needs to lay the smack down and make it run as smoothly as possible. That's something that can come with experience, and perhaps a chapter consultant or someone else at your HQ can give you tips on how to make it run more smoothly.

Lord knows I remember when we had to do cuts (at a small school where there were usually only like 200 girls going through rush) and how long it took us... ugh.

AOIIalum · #21 09-11-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hannahgirl

we were not forwarned that we'd be dropping that many otherwise we would've had a better way to do this. i just really feel like our chapter is being screwed because we rush well. there are only 113 women going through recruitment and we had to cut over half for 3rd round.....does that sound fair to anyone else????

Actually, it does. It sounds like the problem was in the communication prior to recruitment concerning strict release figures enforcement? When you do the math (DISCLAIMER--I don't know if any of these figures are correct for Kent State, just going with the info hannahgirl had in her post!)

There are seven sororities listed on the Kent State site. If they are all still participating for 3rd round, then you take 113/7 to get your quota range. Let's say quota range ends up around 14-16 for rounding and such. If you had to cut 56.5 (half of that 113), you'll have 56.5 remaining. That's 3+ times a possible quota of 16. If only 6 sororities are participating, then QR is around 17-19; 19 x 2.5 = 47.5 invited to Pref with 57 = 3x possible quota.

I know I'm probably off with the numbers and the next round may not be Pref, but with the new system you should be inviting 2 to 2.5 times quota for Pref. Go on the high end and you'll get 16 x 2.5 = 40.

kddani · #22 09-11-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hannahgirl

we were not forwarned that we'd be dropping that many otherwise we would've had a better way to do this. i just really feel like our chapter is being screwed because we rush well. there are only 113 women going through recruitment and we had to cut over half for 3rd round.....does that sound fair to anyone else????

When were you told how many you had to drop? Obviously you were going to have to drop girls at some point, when did you think you would have to do it?

Cutting half of 113 girls for 3RD round? That sounds very much on par.

If it took you guys four or five hours to cut 56 or 57 girls, you really need to reexamine the way you do things because it really shouldn't take that long. You've had 2 rounds to get to know these girls before you make the cuts. Grades are easy first cuts, and that should knock out a few. It should also be easy to pick out a number of girls who would not be a good fit at all with your chapter.

Without going into details about my own groups membership selection process, your group undoubtedly has a very defined process as to how things should work that keeps the flow going and keeps things from getting out of hands and dragging on.

Detailed notes, trusting your sisters, and also getting together and discussing things as a group after each round will make things run more smoothly.

I'm guessing from your post that you didn't have to make any cuts after round 1? I hope that you still met and discussed things afterwards. If not, you should think about doing that next year.

If your chapter rushes well, then you should have a fairly good idea of what kinds of girls that you want in your chapter. It should be easier for you to cut those girls who wouldn't fit in with your chapter, and let them have a chance to get to know other chapters since they wouldn't fit in with yours.

PenguinTrax · #23 09-11-2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hannahgirl

we were not forwarned that we'd be dropping that many otherwise we would've had a better way to do this. i just really feel like our chapter is being screwed because we rush well. there are only 113 women going through recruitment and we had to cut over half for 3rd round.....does that sound fair to anyone else????

Sounds more than fair. On some campuses the larger chapters are cutting 55% after the FIRST round.

KDMafia · #24 09-11-2006, 09:55 AM

I can't speak for it's effectiveness on a large greek campus but I know at my undergraduate campus it worked amazingly well. My senior year we had a horrible recruitment (Panhellenicly) with many girls not even showing up the first day and may dropping right off the bat. Stereotypes were running rampant and some how through what you guys call tent talk only 3 of the six chapters were getting good return rates. They then made massive cuts the night before pref and many many girls dropped out. This past year I helped out as an alum at my chapter and the release figures used helped everyone. All but one chapter made quota and they quickly COBed to it. The best part was a chapter that was struggling and really needed numbers ended up with 18 girls through quota additions. The early release figures helped girls look at other sorororities seriously instaed of the top one or two. USually this struggling chapter was the one girls went to just to have a full pref card but usually SIPed. This time, with a more realistic outlook they gave the chapter a chance and saw what a great group of girls it was!

I am no sure about the exact precentages of those placed who signed a pref card but I do know it was incredibly high and they said they had very very few SIPs!

Needless to say i'm a huge fan of the new release system and I hope it works just as well when I go to help this year!

WCUgirl · #25 09-11-2006, 12:42 PM

I think that when the release figures method is fully and CORRECTLY implemented, it's absolutely wonderful. In my experience, the problem seems to be that many campus Greek Advisors, or whomever else is involved, are trying to tweak the system to work for their particular campus. Then it gets all screwy.

AOIIalum · #26 09-11-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AXiD670

I think that when the release figures method is fully and CORRECTLY implemented, it's absolutely wonderful. In my experience, the problem seems to be that many campus Greek Advisors, or whomever else is involved, are trying to tweak the system to work for their particular campus. Then it gets all screwy.

Well said.

BabyPiNK_FL · #27 09-11-2006, 12:53 PM

I LOVE IT! One of the chapters on my campus (not mine) was totally getting shafted year after year because of reps and etc. And two other groups were leading people on left and right to their benefit. This year everyone did for the most part, equal and I was so happy for this smaller chapter! It was an amazing experience! They basically like tripled in size with amazing girls who might not have considered them otherwise (for no really good reason). They are going to have an amazing time this year and so will the rest of us. Now I want to see next year's rush when we have a more equal playing field...hmmm.

KSUViolet06 · #28 09-11-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hannahgirl

pardon me but i need to vent. when i spend the nights of 1st and 2nd parties at the house till 11pm and 12am because we have to discuss SO much.....i get a little ticked off!

Hey hannahgirl, check your PMs please!

AOIIalum · #29 09-11-2006, 07:56 PM

Maybe I'm misunderstanding things here, but isn't the whole intent of the new release figures to ensure that chapters are appropriately releasing throughout recruitment? As KDMafia said, "The early release figures helped girls look at other sororities seriously instead of the top one or two. USually this struggling chapter was the one girls went to just to have a full pref card but usually SIPed. This time, with a more realistic outlook they gave the chapter a chance and saw what a great group of girls it was!" THAT'S why these new procedures are being implemented. Too many chapters string the PNMs along throughout the week, just to do a global cut late in the process. It's not fair to the PNMs and it's not fair to the other chapters on campus.

hannahgirl, you may want to ask the Greek Adviser after recruitment about the possible breakdown in communication concerning the new release figure implementation on your campus. It's too late to do much now, but you may be able to impact better and more positive communications in the future.

Glitter650 · #30 09-11-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

I LOVE IT! One of the chapters on my campus (not mine) was totally getting shafted year after year because of reps and etc. And two other groups were leading people on left and right to their benefit. This year everyone did for the most part, equal and I was so happy for this smaller chapter! It was an amazing experience! They basically like tripled in size with amazing girls who might not have considered them otherwise (for no really good reason). They are going to have an amazing time this year and so will the rest of us. Now I want to see next year's rush when we have a more equal playing field...hmmm.

I wsh someone would tell that to Panhel at my school who voted NOT TO USE THEM THIS YEAR