Another PNAM

[AGDee]

She did say she has a friend who is an initiated member, so it's not as though she doesn't know/hasn't met anybody. I'd be willing to bet that if a well respected and involved alumna presented a close friend (or relative) for AI, that it could go through without as much red tape.

We often have AIs who are serving in an advisor capacity in remote areas where there are no local alumnae chapters. Most of our advisors for our two chapters in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan are AIs. Generally, they are faculty at the university and agree to be advisors and then they are offered AI.

[kddani]

Shouldn't more than one member (that one person being the "sponsor") meet the PNAM before any definite discussions are made?

[honeychile]

Since I don't know which GLO she's referring to, I wouldn't know - everyone seems to do it differently.

I highly approve of your screen name, though, bichonl. Being a Bichon Mom myself, I wish you the best!

[bichonl]

I actually have an awesome resume.

Basically, I have worked with non-profit, fraternal type organizations for the past ten years.

In my junior year of college, I was a mentor to a fourth grade girl with learning disabilities. The next semester, I was a mentor to an elderly Hispanic woman who was facing many challenges. My major was early childhood education and my minor speech-language pathology. Again, not only was I studying pedagogy WITH SLP disorders, I was also learning how to build rapport with a variety of people. And yes, I earned academic honors along the way.

I have a master's in curriculum and instruction, so that shows my dedication to working with children and their families.

In graduate school, I was program director of my denomination's campus ministry for one and a half years. I had to resign once I started working full-time.

These accomplishments have all been mentioned on my honor initiation candidate form. Yes, I had to write an essay explaining why I wanted to become a member of Bichon. My sponsor will have to write an essay stating why she recommends me for initiation. My sponsor and I have been attending the same church for three years and have both been involved in various ministries.

In terms of working with the local alum group, I see no reason why I won't get along with the women. I'm pleasant, smart, and open-minded. I am very interested in helping the local community and the local collegiate chapter through various volunteer opportunities. Let's face it, we're not going to LOVE everyone in our fraternities on a personal level. But, we can love them all UNCONDITIONALLY.

I'm glad Bichon is giving me the opportunity to present myself in a professional manner. I'm also glad I'm getting the opportunity to have some say in which alum chapter I affiliate with and where I get initiated.

[dakareng]

Originally posted by kddani
Shouldn't more than one member (that one person being the "sponsor") meet the PNAM before any definite discussions are made?

Depends on that group's policies. The process that she describes is more familiar to me than many I've read in this forum. Potential AIs in Pi Phi are 'presented' on paper by their sponsor to the club. They may or may not already have a collegiate chapter sponsor at that point. They do not come to any events or meetings. Yes, most, if not all, of them are known to other members and often are mothers or sisters of members. Personally, I find it "bizarre" to have someone come to an event as a potential AI when there is a chance that she won't be accepted. It's one thing to go through collegiate recruitment that way, but we aren't 'recruiting' AIs. If one of my club members says this woman would be a good volunteer, I take her word for it.

[Scandia]

Bichon- wow, sounds like you done a lot.

During undergrad, I was in Alpha Phi Omega service fraternity, mentored two children during my senior year of college, was webmaster of my major's club for 2 years, belonged to the church's youth group, and was in Golden Key and Alpha Lambda Delta Honor Societies.

In graduate school I was the archivist for the Student Organizations for my major. Plus I substitute-taught both years, as well as worked as a part-time librarian the second year.

Now I have worked with immigrants and inner city communities for outreach, among others. Out of work I have taken a foreign language class. I have almost finished my first year as a full time librarian. And I go to the gym often. So I have kept busy.

Hopefully this will make a good impression to the sororities of my choice. While at the same time, I hope to not sound like I am bragging. I want to market myself, not impose myself.

[LPIDelta]

Originally posted by SmartBlondeGPhB
You are accepting a woman who has never met the local alumnae so she has no idea if she will get along with any of them and will want to be involved with them. If it's an area with only one chapter then she's not likely to get very involved if she doesn't have anything in common with the other women in the group and isn't comfortable with them. And what's the point of initiating someone as an AI who isn't going to be involved? We already have PLENTY of those who joined in college.

Plus, you are inviting a woman to join based on the opinion of one person and how she looks on paper (the application). You certainly can't judge someone's commitment level based on that.

I find nothing strange about how Bichonl is going about AI--in fact, I find it a little refreshing. It drives me a little batty that everyone seems to think that its ok that AI take years. Potential AIs, if you take anything from this board, understand that EVERY GROUP IS DIFFERENT. When collegians come through recruitment, we may have met them over three days! And as far as determining someone's commitment level from an application and resume--that's what employers do when they are hiring for a position.

There is also nothing that guarantees that traditional alumnae will like the people in their local alumnae chapter either or that they will be involved at all. In most cases, I have much more faith that an AI will want to contribute than I do that a traditional alumna will do the same.

There are many more ways to be involved as an alumna than just through an alumna chapter. I know my experience seems to be an exception, but I have never been in an alumnae chapter officially, and yet I have been VERY involved with the international organization and local chapters as an advisor, director and international leader.

My group only requires the nomination of one sister--and I am ok with that, because I trust that my sisters will only want to initiate women of strong character, willing to commit to our values.

Good luck Bichonl! Based on your resume, I would love to have someone like you in my org. Sorry to hijack...we can now return to our regularly scheduled postings.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Heather17
I find nothing strange about how Bichonl is going about AI--in fact, I find it a little refreshing. It drives me a little batty that everyone seems to think that its ok that AI take years. Potential AIs, if you take anything from this board, understand that EVERY GROUP IS DIFFERENT. When collegians come through recruitment, we may have met them over three days! And as far as determining someone's commitment level from an application and resume--that's what employers do when they are hiring for a position.

I don't think anyone thinks it's "OK" - more that they want PNAMs to know that just because Annie AI completed her process in 3 months, that's not necessarily what will happen to them.

Yes we give bids to collegians we've only spent a few hours with, but we can also terminate collegians if down the line, it's shown that they are not living up to the commitment they made to the group. It's quite a bit harder to terminate an alumna.

Oh, and employers also do face to face interviews, often more than one. There are very few people who get hired solely from their resume.

It sounds like bichonl is in a different position than many of the GC PNAMs we've seen - because she already knows someone in the group. When you know someone in the group before AI even came up and are not approaching them out of the blue, naturally it's going to flow more smoothly. As far as her participating or not with the alum chapter, it's not a necessity. We have women who are national volunteers but don't participate in alum chapters, either because there isn't one by them, they didn't get along with the other women in it, or they don't have the time to do both. It all depends upon the structure of your organization.

[bichonl]

LIFE HAPPENS: I missed meeting up with my sponsor because she had two emergency business trips. Last week, I mailed the form to her house because we both have no way of seeing each other due to hectic schedules.

She let me know she received it, but had to go out of town again. She will fill it out this week.

I'm surprisingly calm about this. I know life happens. I know we all have crazy schedules. Besides, I will have to wait until the fall to get initiated with a collegiate chapter. I won't have a pledge period or any other pinning ceremonies, so really the only thing I'm waiting for is the official invitation from the national officer in charge of alum initiation. I am going to call her Mrs. Frise from now on, to go along with the "bichon" theme!

On an unrelated note, I decided not to become a paralegal. I'm going to remain a teacher.

[kddani]

Originally posted by bichonl
LIFE HAPPENS: I missed meeting up with my sponsor because she had two emergency business trips. Last week, I mailed the form to her house because we both have no way of seeing each other due to hectic schedules.

She let me know she received it, but had to go out of town again. She will fill it out this week.

I'm surprisingly calm about this. I know life happens. I know we all have crazy schedules. Besides, I will have to wait until the fall to get initiated with a collegiate chapter. I won't have a pledge period or any other pinning ceremonies, so really the only thing I'm waiting for is the official invitation from the national officer in charge of alum initiation. I am going to call her Mrs. Frise from now on, to go along with the "bichon" theme!

On an unrelated note, I decided not to become a paralegal. I'm going to remain a teacher.

Glad to hear that you're making progress, but I have to ask...

If you're too busy to meet up with your sponsor, how are you going to have enough time to be an AI and participate in activities?

I would also caution you not to say that you'll be initiated in the fall, etc. until you get a definite invitation and definite information from your potential organization.

[bichonl]

::sigh:: I have requested that this post be taken down. I am just uncomfortable with this whole post. I will also be cancelling my account. I am still going through with my alum initiation process, but I will not be writing about it anymore. Thank you to everyone who responded to my post or sent PMs.

[Drolefille]

I wish you luck in your AI journey.

And I hope you come back after everything's done.

To KDDani: Don't most adult women have hectic lives? It sounds like the sponsor's life is equally hectic yet she manages to actively participate.

[kddani]

Originally posted by Drolefille
I wish you luck in your AI journey.

And I hope you come back after everything's done.

To KDDani: Don't most adult women have hectic lives? It sounds like the sponsor's life is equally hectic yet she manages to actively participate.

Of course most adult women have hectic lives. But we as members of NPC orgs do have a right to ask the simple question of how much time our PNAI may have for the org, just as we would for undergrad PNMs who go through rush. It's a valid question.

[Scandia]

Bichon- I'm sorry to hear that you will be departing. Good luck with AI. I just took a couple more small steps myself, and am awaiting to hear more information.

[MJo19]

I am sorry to hear that you are leaving. I hope things work out for you!