Cincy Officers Cleared in Death of Nathaniel Jones

[lovelyivy84]

I see what both of you are saying and I agree with you. On all of it. The playing of the race card has seriously hurt our credibility. If a black person says "race" nowadays, it's because they are too sensitive or trying to "persecute" the white man :eyeroll: This is because we choose to support people like OJ and Michael Jackson, not to mention debacles like the Tawanna Brawley incident.

But all that said, I find it almost impossible to give this police department the benefit of the doubt. They ARE targeting black men out there.

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by ladygreek
A 350lb man high on Cocaine and PCP is not going to be subdued with pepper spray. In fact, in fight they appear to gain strength and lash out indiscriminately. When that much weight and strength is being thrown around it takes much more force to subdue them.

Believe me, I am not trying to defend the po po, especially there in Cinti, but very honestly if I was in their shoes I would call for all the back upI could get to restain a person that size. Plus, do we don't know yet if he would have died if he had not had an enlarged heart?

I guess I believe if that had been a 350lb redneck high on Coke and PCP and behaving the same way, the same amount of force would have been used. So what concerns me most is that we, Black folx, are using the race card more and more, i.e., the police brutality occured because the suspect/victim was Black. Not that it isn't warranted in many cases, but when we use it in lieu of the fact that the behavior by a suspect/victim is inappropriate in the first place, we lessen the credibility of the real cases of racism.

You definitely hit the nail on the head. No person high on cocaine and PCP can be dealt with delicately, less a person who weighs almost 400 pounds. As for cause of death, it can be anything. We'll just have to wait for the coroner's final disposition.

[sister_hood02]

I suppose what everyone is failing to recognize is the minute and 37 seconds that the tape wasn't rolling. According to news reports, the dash camera only works while the cops blue lights are flashing. Supposedly, one of the cops used a remote control to activate the camera from outside of the vehicle. Interestingly, the tape begins with the black man attacking the cops. No one really knows what happened during that minute and 37 seconds leading up to that attack. I honestly feel that those cops used excessive force, clearly. There comes a time when it's just human nature to fight back. Clearly, he was on something(drugs) so clearly he's going to fight back not recognizing that he's fighting cops perhaps. Regardless, those cops were out of line.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by sister_hood02
I suppose what everyone is failing to recognize is the minute and 37 seconds that the tape wasn't rolling. According to news reports, the dash camera only works while the cops blue lights are flashing. Supposedly, one of the cops used a remote control to activate the camera from outside of the vehicle. Interestingly, the tape begins with the black man attacking the cops. No one really knows what happened during that minute and 37 seconds leading up to that attack. I honestly feel that those cops used excessive force, clearly. There comes a time when it's just human nature to fight back. Clearly, he was on something(drugs) so clearly he's going to fight back not recognizing that he's fighting cops perhaps. Regardless, those cops were out of line.

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. The brotha was wrong PERIOD. He shouldn't have died...but he was wrong. If its 6 cops...keep your butt down on the ground! GEEZ!

[TonyB06]

Originally posted by ladygreek
A 350lb man high on Cocaine and PCP is not going to be subdued with pepper spray. In fact, in fight they appear to gain strength and lash out indiscriminately. When that much weight and strength is being thrown around it takes much more force to subdue them.

...Not to be indelicate here, but as any male who has ever played sports knows (myself as an example) if you take a shot "south of the border" you are going to slow down real real fast, at least for a minute, no matter what is in your system.

That's the sum total of my argument. Stun gun the guy, deliver a strike to his crotch, anything to stop him long enough to cuff him, and not have to possibly kill him. I have to wonder if these 6 couldn't get it done together, how would any of them do in another situation 1-on-1??

[WenD08]

first, it was stated that Nathaniel Jones had "traces" of PCP and coke in his system. to me, that doesn't say that he was high. the tape just shows me a man who was hyped up on adrenaline, given the situation. we'll see what the final coroners report. secondly, watching the tape gave me a real sense of deja vu. so many unarmed Black men have met the same fate here, Death By Police. the police need to be released from the stranglehold of the FOP, the police union, in order to make real changes. for starters, better community policing, diversity training, end the "inbreeding" when it comes to promoting officers to higher positions...
as a native, it saddens me to see my city in this light. i just wish other residents thought like me and would make some real changes...

[TonyB06]

Originally posted by WenD08
first, it was stated that Nathaniel Jones had "traces" of PCP and coke in his system. to me, that doesn't say that he was high. the tape just shows me a man who was hyped up on adrenaline, given the situation. we'll see what the final coroners report. secondly, watching the tape gave me a real sense of deja vu. so many unarmed Black men have met the same fate here, Death By Police. the police need to be released from the stranglehold of the FOP, the police union, in order to make real changes. for starters, better community policing, diversity training, end the "inbreeding" when it comes to promoting officers to higher positions...
as a native, it saddens me to see my city in this light. i just wish other residents thought like me and would make some real changes...

WenD08,

If you run for City Council, you will get my absentee ballot vote!! What side of town you from? I grew up in Avondale and later College Hill/Finneytown.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by WenD08
first, it was stated that Nathaniel Jones had "traces" of PCP and coke in his system. to me, that doesn't say that he was high. the tape just shows me a man who was hyped up on adrenaline, given the situation. we'll see what the final coroners report. secondly, watching the tape gave me a real sense of deja vu. so many unarmed Black men have met the same fate here, Death By Police. the police need to be released from the stranglehold of the FOP, the police union, in order to make real changes. for starters, better community policing, diversity training, end the "inbreeding" when it comes to promoting officers to higher positions...
as a native, it saddens me to see my city in this light. i just wish other residents thought like me and would make some real changes...

I hear ya Sister Greek. You know your city better than all of us.

But here in Minneapolis, the charges of police brutality are also flying rampant by a group of so-called Black leaders who blame everything on racism. We recently had a young man (a known drug dealer) arrested in a drug raid. He claimed that two police (he named them) sexually assaulted him in the house they raided with a toliet plunger. Sound familiar? It happened about a month ago, a few days after the Law and Order rerun about that very thing that did happen in NY.

When the news first showed him, he was walking from the jail with no problem and even slightly jogging. But the next day and following days when he was shown at various community press conferences and rallies he walked bent over (supposedly because of his injuries.) At one he even fainted. He wasn't charged and so he was released. Last week the police made another drug raid on a different house. Lo and behold, guess who was there? And this time he claimed it was a different police officer who had assasulted him the last time. BTW, it also has come out that he is a police informer which he vehemently denies.

But this is what I mean about us crying wolf. Because the so-called community leaders have taken this and run with it as a perfect case of racial profiling and police brutality.

[UpPinkies]

This is all I have to say, they did the best they could in their situation.

I pray for the family and hope they can get through this, but why do I want to support someone with a past record, a drug user etc. and say the police did him wrong and should have let him beat them up. I'm sorry this man was in the wrong and lost his life over it.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by UpPinkies
This is all I have to say, they did the best they could in their situation.

I pray for the family and hope they can get through this, but why do I want to support someone with a past record, a drug user etc. and say the police did him wrong and should have let him beat them up. I'm sorry this man was in the wrong and lost his life over it.

i concur UpPinkies.. what do you think is going to happen when you take multiple swings at a cop??

[Dionysus]

I agree with Love Spell and ladygreek. I'm puzzled each time something like this happens. We know that police tend to be more harsh on blacks, especially black males. Yet, I hear story after story of black males running away, fighting back, or being belligerent when they are confronted by cops. Most know the consequences.

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by TonyB06
...Not to be indelicate here, but as any male who has ever played sports knows (myself as an example) if you take a shot "south of the border" you are going to slow down real real fast, at least for a minute, no matter what is in your system.

That's the sum total of my argument. Stun gun the guy, deliver a strike to his crotch, anything to stop him long enough to cuff him, and not have to possibly kill him. I have to wonder if these 6 couldn't get it done together, how would any of them do in another situation 1-on-1??

Cocaine has a numbing effect on the body, so if a person is high on Cocaine, their body is probably pretty much numb and therefore won't necessarily go down if hit "below the border".

That man played a big role in his own death.

[NOWorNEVER]

Originally posted by sister_hood02
I suppose what everyone is failing to recognize is the minute and 37 seconds that the tape wasn't rolling. According to news reports, the dash camera only works while the cops blue lights are flashing. Supposedly, one of the cops used a remote control to activate the camera from outside of the vehicle. Interestingly, the tape begins with the black man attacking the cops. No one really knows what happened during that minute and 37 seconds leading up to that attack. I honestly feel that those cops used excessive force, clearly. There comes a time when it's just human nature to fight back. Clearly, he was on something(drugs) so clearly he's going to fight back not recognizing that he's fighting cops perhaps. Regardless, those cops were out of line.

I agree with you. The constant jabbing of nightsticks in that man's stomach, sides, and ribs was unnecessary. In response to what a lot of people have already written: Yes, we as black people pull the race card a lot but with good reason. Now, true, this man did have traces of drugs in his system but they were minute amounts. Secondly, the police were trying to arrest this man...for what? Passing out? I would have tried to resist arrest too! The man was probably incoherent and the police should have been smart enough to figure that out. The fire department and police was called because it was thought that the man needed medical attention. According to what I found out today in one of my classes, the "sick" individual needs to stick around for an ambulance or something like that but it's the duty of the police to make sure he doesn't leave the scene. BUT the individual does have a right to refuse medical treatment. So they tried to arrest this man, I guess to make sure he didn't leave before he was offered medical attention?? And even when they KNEW he was sick (b/c he was passed out), they continued to give him orders and try to arrest him and then beat him knowing that he might not be comprehending what they were telling him.
Bottom line, the police were in the wrong! There are a certain "type" of police out there who have these preconceived view of the black man. This same type of policeman gets easily "threatened" and scared when confronted with a belligerent African American citizen. Consequently, incidents like this occur because, again, they felt "threatened". These type of police officers have absolutely NO BUSINESS trying to restore order in a society where 80% of citizens are minorities.

[9dstpm]

Is it just me or is it every time they have some case of police brutality against a black person, the suspect is always on cocaine and PCP? Does anyone ever question what the police are on when they do this?

[Diva_01]

Having lived in Cinci during the riots and recruited by the Cinci Police Department...

I could have easily been on the force right now during this event, and Cinci does have a huge problem with police brutality. My remarks?

Mr Nathaniel was high. But the fact remains that he has seen how brutal the Cincinnati police department can be. I don't know if it was the drugs that caused him to fight, but it was a fatal choice.
The police: They also should have been more careful in trying to subdue a fighting 350 pound man. Where I work, we have to subdue them all the time, and we don't have to beat them. Although they are not high, it can be done with only 2-3 people. So there are better ways of doing their job. I pray they find it.

My mom thinks that The Cinci police have undercover kkk officers...hmm?
I lived in the avondale/reading area...Xavier U baby...