Does any one else have a problem.... - Page 2

aephi alum · #16 07-06-2002, 09:33 AM

It's just not right. There's no way my parents would have let me wear outfits like that at age 13 or 14, and no way any daughter of mine will be allowed to dress like that. Leave *something* to the imagination, kids.

33girl · #17 07-06-2002, 10:45 AM

Parents so desperately want to be "cool" that they let their kids wear anything they want...the kids are playing the parents and are way more intelligent. It's scary really.

oh Ali, I remember when I was in high school, there was a 7th grader with a "bun in the oven"!!

My mom would have a cow just from the bra straps hanging out under the spaghetti strap tops. Let alone a shirt that says "tease" or something of the like. We used to tuck up our t-shirts to show off our midriffs when we were pretending to be Cher or something, but we sure as heck would never have been permitted to go to school or the mall like that. Kids don't have time to play and pretend anymore...that's the problem... so they are doing these things in real life instead.

James · #18 07-06-2002, 12:48 PM

Ok what age group are we talking about here? Some of you are mentioning 13-15 years old and others are talking about pre-teens, that is a wide range of difference.

Also, some of you may have forgotten what its like to be younger.

Some points:

Once you hit Menarche you are a women. A not very experienced woman but a woman. In many cultures you are of mariageable age. In fact not too long ago in the states, that was the age you could get married and in some states you can still get married very young with parental consent.

PRe-adolescents and adolescents are sexual creatures, if they are feeling good about the way they look they like to be on display. In fact it may not be what they are wearing that you are responding to it may be their attitude and body language. I find that a lot of younger girls, and I would say right up to 19-20 are a lot less self conscious about what they are wearing and being checked out.

Also, every generation probably going back to the beginning of time has wondered what youth was thinking and questioning their form of dress and conduct.

ThetaGirl1997 · #19 07-06-2002, 02:55 PM

I was just talking about this with someone the other day. We were at this big Fourth of July thing, people watching. There were so many little girls flashing skin, tons of makeup. I saw one girl, who couldn't have been more than 10 or 12, with short shorts, a tight little v-neck sleeveless top, makeup, glitter, talking on a CELL PHONE!!! The things these girls wear I still wouldn't wear in public and I'm 24 years old. My parents never would have let me out of my bedroom, let alone in public, dressed like that.

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Ok what age group are we talking about here? Some of you are mentioning 13-15 years old and others are talking about pre-teens, that is a wide range of difference.

I agree there is a difference, but 13-15 year olds are still too young to be showing the world everything they have! Leave a little something to the imagination, please.

juniorgrrl · #20 07-07-2002, 01:57 AM

I saw it again tonight. I was in Barnes and Noble, about 9:30 PM and there was a family in there - Mom, Dad and little girl. The girl was about 7 or 8. She had on low rise jeans and a halter top that showed about 4 or 5 inches of her stomach. And apparently mom and dad were just fine with it.

queequek · #21 07-07-2002, 04:05 AM

Maybe the same feeling happened about 50 years ago ... when our grandparents saw the next generation, which were our parents, and us.
Didn't women always wear everything covered up? Not even pants, maybe?

Or how about our grandparents see young women with sport bras? Or mini skirts? Or bikinis?

Things have changed.

I feel old now, thank you very much.

LeslieAGD · #22 07-07-2002, 09:49 AM

I think there's a difference between letting kids have their own sense of style that is different from when we grew up and letting little girls dress like tramps. And I'm sorry, but they do look like tramps. I have honestly seen girls abound 13-14 years old wearing clothes that are worse than what I've seen slutty-looking women wear to clubs...and that says a lot.

Maybe people will jump on me for this but, IMHO, if you're under 16 you really have no reason to be dressing like a sex kitten...you're in high school for christ sakes! And, if you're under 14, it's gross and down right inappropriate.

Ktsnake said that that's just the stores' selection these days...Is it easier to find skimpy clothes than "regular" clothes? Possibly. Does that make it right? No. Until they're 15/16, it's unlikely that they have jobs so mom/dad are paying for the clothes...maybe they should do a better job of monitoring what their kids are wearing. There so many fun styles out there that kids don't need to show skin in order to dress "cool."

James · #23 07-07-2002, 02:49 PM

Ok just for the sake of intellegent argument: What exactly makes this gross? And as a seperate question, what makes this wrong? As in a moral imperative.

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Originally posted by LeslieAGD

Maybe people will jump on me for this but, IMHO, if you're under 16 you really have no reason to be dressing like a sex kitten...you're in high school for christ sakes! And, if you're under 14, it's gross and down right inappropriate.

Ktsnake said that that's just the stores' selection these days...Is it easier to find skimpy clothes than "regular" clothes? Possibly. Does that make it right? No. Until they're 15/16, it's unlikely that they have jobs so mom/dad are paying for the clothes...maybe they should do a better job of monitoring what their kids are wearing. There so many fun styles out there that kids don't need to show skin in order to dress "cool." [/B]

thetakates · #24 07-07-2002, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by ThetaGirl1997
I was just talking about this with someone the other day. We were at this big Fourth of July thing, people watching. There were so many little girls flashing skin, tons of makeup. I saw one girl, who couldn't have been more than 10 or 12, with short shorts, a tight little v-neck sleeveless top, makeup, glitter, talking on a CELL PHONE!!! The things these girls wear I still wouldn't wear in public and I'm 24 years old. My parents never would have let me out of my bedroom, let alone in public, dressed like that.

I agree there is a difference, but 13-15 year olds are still too young to be showing the world everything they have! Leave a little something to the imagination, please.

Totally agree with this. Hell I hate putting on make-up now. But I would have to say that James has some kind of point with his post. I think that girls see this on adults and want to be like them, but still it is wrong. I jsut dont agree with it. Also someone else said something about playing with dolls till they were in 8th grade.....I did too but I also remember the kind of stories I was making up with those dolls! And they were not very innocent. (I am talking about Barbies!!!) SO James does have a point....pre-teens are sexual creatures, but maybe they need to act like kids a little bit longer for some peoples sake!

LeslieAGD · #25 07-08-2002, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by James
Ok just for the sake of intellegent argument: What exactly makes this gross? And as a seperate question, what makes this wrong? As in a moral imperative.

I think it's gross because older guys want to get in these little girls' pants. That's what I think is wrong with it. And we wonder why the amount of pedophiles has increased.

Steeltrap · #26 07-08-2002, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by juniorgrrl
I was just commenting on this today. Mom and I were in SunCom to pay the cell bill and this girl, probably about 12 or 13 walks in with her mom. The girl is wearing a short sleeved tshirt that kinda loks like a baseball jersey. And in pink glitter is written "Playboy" and the bunny logo is beneath it. What mother lets her child dress like that?!?

I always joke that I'm not going to be let into the movies around here because I wear too many clothes - I don't ever have my stomach showing or wear ass shorts. I just odn't understand how these mothers allow this. What the hell are they thinking? Is it that they wish they were skinny and cute again and live vicariously through their daughters? (I've noticed that there is a direct correlation between how trampy the kid is dressed and how out of shape the mother is).

Interesting observation about trampy kids and out-of-shape mamas. My mother is 5'1" and weighed, at the most, 115 pounds. I was thin as a child, but I would have never dreamed of wearing trampy clothes. I had enough of a time being teased.

ilovemyglo · #27 07-08-2002, 02:08 PM

Okay, here is my argument for James sake:

When a girl is preteen or younger they are curious about women's bodies. Not men yet, but women. They wonder when they will develop and what it will be like and stuff. Not much younger than 10, I would think. That is about the age some girls start wearing things like "Training bras" (btw what are you training them for?) Anyway, some of these girls are now wearing clothing that is more revealing, more sexually suggestive and it takes away their innocense. They are no longer little girls, which they really are, they are girls trying to be something they aren't yet.
These girls haven't had their first periods yet and they are walking around looking like they are on the prowl for some A$$!
I know a girl that is 11, she had on a pair of low slung sweatpants with "Tease" written on the butt in glitter. She had a tank top going down almost to wear her breasts will be someday, and shows with high high heels on. Her hair had dark roots and was bleached blonde and she had enough makeup on to make Tammy Faye Baker look clean. How in the world can anyone say that this is okay? The girl is ELEVEN!! She looked like she was one of the two trailer park girls running outside of the Eminem song!
Okay, now for teen aged girls.
Guys want sex from the time they are 14 on, no matter what a girl is wearing, but the more revealing her clothing the "easier" they think she is. It is a social stigma attached to clothing. The more it shows, the more likely she is to be morally casual. Which is not a decision any teenager should legally be able to make since their hormones want nothing more than to bang. Let's face it from the time you are 14 until, well, just about forever, you think about one thing more often than anything else, SEX. And that is what this clothing is about.
These girls do not have enough self esteem to say "I can be sexy without showing my body off".
At 22, which is where I am now, I think a suit can be just as sexy as a halter (which I never wear). I have my clothes for clubbing, but that is for a time and a place.
These teen girls do not realize that there is a time and a place for it because their hormones think everytime is time and everyplace is the right place. If they could think straight they would realize the older men hitting on them are dirty and really don't want anything but to humiliate them and the young guys paying them attention want the rest of the clothes removed.

Guys, do not have this problem. Khakis and button downs from age newborn to 100, it always works.

Anyway, that is just my rebuttle to James comments, or his being devils advocate which I appreciate.
Oh, and as for the clothes, last I checked they still sell shorts for every age that cover your butt and shirts that cover your stomach, if necessary, there is always a larger size.

lifesaver · #28 07-09-2002, 01:40 AM

I have only seen this in San Antonio, but when the kids are middle school or high school aged, the parents get stickers (cut out vinyl) usually in white with the aschool, activity (Cheerleading, band, swimming) and the kids name, and the sticker is put on the back window or something.

GOD this gets on my god damned last nerve. (WHY is it always on a minivan. Why dont you just get stickers that say trite walmart trash). A coupel of observations about this peculiar practice...

1) Yeah, ya got kids. Youre proud. Find me a parent who isnt.

2) Are you mad??? We live (in SA anyway) a town of 1.5 million chock full of loons. WHY would you advertise your kids names publically for any child molestor to see???? All thed have to do is follow you around, see what the kids look like, knock you off, then show up to soccer practice and see your kid and holler over to "Johnny, your mom and dad wanted me to pick you up." Obviously the kids gonna think its ok, after all, "he knew my name."

Just irks me that parents think they are being cute about something, and its really dangerous.... and could get a kid hurt.

pbpck · #29 07-09-2002, 01:57 AM

I will choose stores for my children to shop at, but in order to allow them to excercise some free will, they will pick out their own clothes. So my daughter may choose the khaki skirt from JCrew kids or the cotton polo dress from Ralph Lauren. The sons can choose from Crew kids, Ralph Lauren, Tommy Bahama, etc.

Lord, I still can't bring myself to wear spaghetti straps or skirts above the knee. I admit that I am rather conservative and have terribly preppy tendencies.

thetakates · #30 07-09-2002, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by pbpck
I will choose stores for my children to shop at, but in order to allow them to excercise some free will, they will pick out their own clothes. So my daughter may choose the khaki skirt from JCrew kids or the cotton polo dress from Ralph Lauren. The sons can choose from Crew kids, Ralph Lauren, Tommy Bahama, etc.

Lord, I still can't bring myself to wear spaghetti straps or skirts above the knee. I admit that I am rather conservative and have terribly preppy tendencies.

Conservative is good. And these kind of clothes look Oh so cute on kids! Shop at the Childrens Place or Gap kids has cute clothes. My kids are going to be preppy too because it is the way I dressed when I was little and I still do a little bit now....when I have the money to buy something preppy.