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[adpiucf]

I an anti an AI sub forum, for all of the reasons KDOnline stated above.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

I an anti an AI sub forum, for all of the reasons KDOnline stated above.

That's exactly it. SOME people try to make all of us to be "anti AI" when in reality I don't know anyone who's totally against AI, but I think all of us are against the AI FORUM.

There's a distinction between being anti-forum and anti-AI.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by greekalum

I'm against women seeking AI just because they didn't "get" to join in college.

As are most, if not all, NPC groups.

[Buttonz]

Originally Posted by kdonline

Okay Barbara, since you're publicly commenting about your moderating capabilities on this matter of AI, then I will post this here, rather than a PM.

Regardless of being pro/anti AI, as Valkyrie said earlier in this thread, Membership Selection is ritual. It should not be discussed on an internet board.

On the D9 boards, everytime someone asks about joining, they are immediately told not to ask & it pretty much ends there. THAT is good moderation.

How come this cannot be done on the AI board?

If someone posts that they are interested in AI, then there are plenty of ACTUAL AIs who can contact them PRIVATELY, if they wish. No connections should be set up publicly on this board. And CERTAINLY, men or even non-NPC members (no matter how much they have read), should not offer advice. This, IMHO, is part of the problem.

PNAI: "Hi. I am interested in AI. What should I do?"
MODbot: "AI = membership selection = ritual. It cannot be discussed on this board. I suggest you contact someone locally who can better advise you. Check out www.npcwomen.org or the individial sororities' websites for more information."

GCers who feel they HAVE to add to the thread: (see MODbot response.) Just like we all know how to respond to "what's the best sorority?" we should know how to respond to "how can I AI?"

GC who AI'd, in a PM: "I was an AI and I am willing to answer your questions.."


NOTHING should be posted publicly about membership selection.

Agreed 100%

[Jen]

Originally Posted by kdonline

Okay Barbara, since you're publicly commenting about your moderating capabilities on this matter of AI, then I will post this here, rather than a PM.

Regardless of being pro/anti AI, as Valkyrie said earlier in this thread, Membership Selection is ritual. It should not be discussed on an internet board.

On the D9 boards, everytime someone asks about joining, they are immediately told not to ask & it pretty much ends there. THAT is good moderation.

How come this cannot be done on the AI board?

If someone posts that they are interested in AI, then there are plenty of ACTUAL AIs who can contact them PRIVATELY, if they wish. No connections should be set up publicly on this board. And CERTAINLY, men or even non-NPC members (no matter how much they have read), should not offer advice. This, IMHO, is part of the problem.

PNAI: "Hi. I am interested in AI. What should I do?"
MODbot: "AI = membership selection = ritual. It cannot be discussed on this board. I suggest you contact someone locally who can better advise you. Check out www.npcwomen.org or the individial sororities' websites for more information."

GCers who feel they HAVE to add to the thread: (see MODbot response.) Just like we all know how to respond to "what's the best sorority?" we should know how to respond to "how can I AI?"

GC who AI'd, in a PM: "I was an AI and I am willing to answer your questions.."


NOTHING should be posted publicly about membership selection.

Excellent idea.

[_Lisa_]

Originally Posted by kdonline

Okay Barbara, since you're publicly commenting about your moderating capabilities on this matter of AI, then I will post this here, rather than a PM.

Regardless of being pro/anti AI, as Valkyrie said earlier in this thread, Membership Selection is ritual. It should not be discussed on an internet board.

On the D9 boards, everytime someone asks about joining, they are immediately told not to ask & it pretty much ends there. THAT is good moderation.

How come this cannot be done on the AI board?

If someone posts that they are interested in AI, then there are plenty of ACTUAL AIs who can contact them PRIVATELY, if they wish. No connections should be set up publicly on this board. And CERTAINLY, men or even non-NPC members (no matter how much they have read), should not offer advice. This, IMHO, is part of the problem.

PNAI: "Hi. I am interested in AI. What should I do?"
MODbot: "AI = membership selection = ritual. It cannot be discussed on this board. I suggest you contact someone locally who can better advise you. Check out www.npcwomen.org or the individial sororities' websites for more information."

GCers who feel they HAVE to add to the thread: (see MODbot response.) Just like we all know how to respond to "what's the best sorority?" we should know how to respond to "how can I AI?"

GC who AI'd, in a PM: "I was an AI and I am willing to answer your questions.."


NOTHING should be posted publicly about membership selection.

I agree. This forum has become a circus & should no longer exist.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally Posted by BaylorBean

I agree 100% I think when it comes to AI we NPCers can take some lessons from the NPHCers. Many of the things we are saying about AI and how the organization should approach you or you should have a "bond" with a certain organization to me sounds exactly like how the D9 get their members. It is not a free for all for anyone who like my sister said "OMG! I'm a sorority girl! I get to know ritual!"

If you are going to follow the D9 forum rules, then you shouold also get rid of the Recruitment forum too. Even there, undergrad membership questions are not welcomed either.

[adpiucf]

NPC Undergraduate recruitment IS sorority shopping and is acceptable as such in its current form. Our organizations' primary mission is collegiate programming.

Our reason for recommending the closing of an AI forum is that AI membership intake is more similiar in its quiet promotion as the D9 membership intake. There are a lot of NPC members who don't approve of AI at all, and the vast majority of sorority women don't even know what AI is. This isn't saying AI is a bad thing-- it is that our organizations have not promoted it heavily b/c they want to keep the membership intake of alumnae initiates low for quality control purposes. AI's don't have a new member period of testing the waters like an undergraduate. An AI, once initiated, isn't bound by regular obligations ensuring that we'll get our "money's worth" from investing in them as a member. They can easily fade away into the woodwork once initiated with no further obligations, unlike a collegian who must maintain membership requirements to retain her status.

AI isn't the same as undergraduate recruitment, just as alumnae membership is worlds away from collegiate membership.

ETA: To the current AI's on GC, I don't care if you sorority shopped or not. You're our sisters now and that's all that matters. I do have a problem with promoting the notion of sorority shopping or promoting the idea that sororities are holding open enrollment options for alumnae members. We simply don't do that and alumnae membership is not at the point where its programming would support such an influx of members. The internet makes it a lot harder for PNAI's b/c if you ARE sorority shopping, it's very easy to let that slip on the internet and make your experience IRL a lot harder.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974

If you are going to follow the D9 forum rules, then you shouold also get rid of the Recruitment forum too. Even there, undergrad membership questions are not welcomed either.

I think the reason the undergrad rush questions are OK is because all the sororities are together, rushing, during formal rush. i.e. We see what each other is doing IRL, so it's not so bad on here.

Whereas you would never see the 4 NPHC groups all getting together in a room and having a round robin sort of thing. (At least I didn't think so)

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think the reason the undergrad rush questions are OK is because all the sororities are together, rushing, during formal rush. i.e. We see what each other is doing IRL, so it's not so bad on here.

Whereas you would never see the 4 NPHC groups all getting together in a room and having a round robin sort of thing. (At least I didn't think so)

Also, collegiate recruitment rules are pretty structured and black and white, and the 26 NPC sororities agree on them.

AI policies vary from sorority to sorority and even then it's reviewed on a case by case basis.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Whereas you would never see the 4 NPHC groups all getting together in a room and having a round robin sort of thing. (At least I didn't think so)

You're right. I cannot think of any school where this has happend, and frankly, never will. The closest that I can think of as a 'round robin' is during a general 'meet the greeks' session where each org will present to those who are interested. After that, each org has its own recruitment meetings / schedule separate and apart from the other groups.

[Jen]

Recruitment - all sororities are aware that PNMs are going to meet with every sorority on campus. It's accepted and expected a PNM will meet with more than one (even in some COB circumstances...)

AI - sororities involved are NOT aware PNAM may be meeting with other sororities.

[TrueBlueKappa]

Originally Posted by kdonline

Okay Barbara, since you're publicly commenting about your moderating capabilities on this matter of AI, then I will post this here, rather than a PM.

Regardless of being pro/anti AI, as Valkyrie said earlier in this thread, Membership Selection is ritual. It should not be discussed on an internet board.

On the D9 boards, everytime someone asks about joining, they are immediately told not to ask & it pretty much ends there. THAT is good moderation.

How come this cannot be done on the AI board?

If someone posts that they are interested in AI, then there are plenty of ACTUAL AIs who can contact them PRIVATELY, if they wish. No connections should be set up publicly on this board. And CERTAINLY, men or even non-NPC members (no matter how much they have read), should not offer advice. This, IMHO, is part of the problem.

PNAI: "Hi. I am interested in AI. What should I do?"
MODbot: "AI = membership selection = ritual. It cannot be discussed on this board. I suggest you contact someone locally who can better advise you. Check out www.npcwomen.org or the individial sororities' websites for more information."

GCers who feel they HAVE to add to the thread: (see MODbot response.) Just like we all know how to respond to "what's the best sorority?" we should know how to respond to "how can I AI?"

GC who AI'd, in a PM: "I was an AI and I am willing to answer your questions.."


NOTHING should be posted publicly about membership selection.

EXCELLENT post. I completely agree.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by kddani

That's exactly it. SOME people try to make all of us to be "anti AI" when in reality I don't know anyone who's totally against AI, but I think all of us are against the AI FORUM.

There's a distinction between being anti-forum and anti-AI.

I agree 100%. Thank you.

[UGAalum94]

This whole AI debate kind of blows my mind. I haven't been reading GC long enought to get why it's such a big deal.

But I do want to point out something that strikes me as a faulty premise: the argument that the AI forum shouldn't exist because information about AI is membership selection, and therefore, ritual.

Recruitment isn't membership selections. Information about what PNM can do to seek information isn't membership selection. Only the whys and hows of members actually being chosen gets to the ritual level, as I see it.

If I can tell an 18 year old how to sign up for rush or COR, why couldn't I tell a 35 year old about AI?