Why do multicultural GLOs/organizations exist? - Page 18

shinerbock · #**256** 07-31-2006, 12:18 AM

I think its pretty true. I mean for the most part (obviously there are exceptions), the prettiest, wealthiest girls from the best families generally arent interested in MC or service groups. They usually want the best, most popular sorority on campus. Like I said, there are exceptions, but to deny that it is the common truth, is just unrealistic. About minority populations, I think it is fairly low for the big southern universities, I just checked UT, Auburn and UGA, all are 86 percent white. Meanwhile of Michigan, Ohio State, UCLA, Wisconsin, NYU, Syracuse and Oregon, none were above 85, and most were below 70. I know this isn't a good study, but this is just what I pulled up in a couple minutes, I couldnt find a national average for universities.

hmd1014 · #**257** 07-31-2006, 09:42 AM

Gee, shinerbock, since you're so fratty and all, don't you have better things to do than post on this way-too-PC message board—say, eat crawdads, cousin-fuck, and masturbate?

Jackass.

_Opi_ · #**258** 07-31-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hmd1014

Gee, shinerbock, since you're so fratty and all, don't you have better things to do than post on this way-too-PC message board—say, eat crawdads, cousin-fuck, and masturbate?

Jackass.

zchi2 · #**259** 07-31-2006, 10:44 AM

I know I'm in the minority but I honestly don't have problem with what shinerbock is saying. I don't agree but I find it refreshing that someone is actually being honest. That is how he sees the world and I'm sure there are A LOT of men in the IFC that feel the same way. I'm not surprised that he thinks women in MGLOs are not attractive. He's probably not attracted to non-white women which is fine. I'm sure there are not a mass number of black and latina women crying themselves to sleep because of it. Also, I'm happy that his fraternity is not trying to break their necks to get a token black man in their org just so they can say they are "diverse." The founders of his fraternity would be HIGHLY disturbed if they knew minorities were being recruited to their organization. He's probably staying truer to his organization's founding principles then some other organizations that claim to be "multicultural" just to gain more members or look PC.

If people did not think like him in the "Greek world," my organization would not exist. He is just proof of why my organization and other MGLOs are needed. I personally could care less if his organization was 100% white as long as they are not denying someone a bid from a minority group that is qualified. Side note: Shinerbock, I would like for you to keep in mind that there are black and hispanic men that would fit into your organization a lot better than they would fit into an organization that was "designed" for them. Just because you are black does not mean you like black people...

Dionysus · #**260** 07-31-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by zchi2

I know I'm in the minority but I honestly don't have problem with what shinerbock is saying. I don't agree but I find it refreshing that someone is actually being honest. That is how he sees the world and I'm sure there are A LOT of men in the IFC that feel the same way. I'm not surprised that he thinks women in MGLOs are not attractive. He's probably not attracted to non-white women which is fine. I'm sure there are not a mass number of black and latina women crying themselves to sleep because of it. Also, I'm happy that his fraternity is not trying to break their necks to get a token black man in their org just so they can say they are "diverse." The founders of his fraternity would be HIGHLY disturbed if they knew minorities were being recruited to their organization. He's probably staying truer to his organization's founding principles then some other organizations that claim to be "multicultural" just to gain more members or look PC.

If people did not think like him in the "Greek world," my organization would not exist. He is just proof of why my organization and other MGLOs are needed. I personally could care less if his organization was 100% white as long as they are not denying someone a bid from a minority group that is qualified. Side note: Shinerbock, I would like for you to keep in mind that there are black and hispanic men that would fit into your organization a lot better than they would fit into an organization that was "designed" for them. Just because you are black does not mean you like black people...

I agree with everything you said, except for the last two sentences...together. I like their honesty.

As for the last two sentences, that can be taken as minorities who fit well into non-NPHC or non-MC orgs, don't like other minorities.

xo_kathy · #**261** 07-31-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I'm aware of the beauty pageant PNMs. But they want things in a sorority that don't hold any interest for me at all

Really? A supportive sisterhood, fun, networking (during and post-college), community service opportunities held NO interest for you?

I think it's a little ignorant to think that every Sounthern, beauty pageant-type PNM is only interested in NPC sorority life to get drunk and meet boys.

Taualumna · #**262** 07-31-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by zchi2

I Side note: Shinerbock, I would like for you to keep in mind that there are black and hispanic men that would fit into your organization a lot better than they would fit into an organization that was "designed" for them. Just because you are black does not mean you like black people...

I think he has already made that point. He's also made the point that WHITE NORTHERNERS might not fit in to his CHAPTER either. It's more of his CHAPTER than his GLO.

DSTRen13 · #**263** 07-31-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hmd1014

Gee, shinerbock, since you're so fratty and all, don't you have better things to do than post on this way-too-PC message board—say, eat crawdads, cousin-fuck, and masturbate?

Jackass.

Okay, that was uncalled for ...

But anyway - if some IFC/NPC chapters and their members have the attitudes expressed by some people in this post, no one can make them change them. They will either change on their own, through their own personal experiences, or they won't - arguments on an online message board aren't going to have much of an effect. And really, it is a chapter's right to select their members any way they see fit - if they don't think someone will fit in because of race, then so be it. LGLOs, BGLOs, AGLOs, etc. all have the same right. Hopefully, people will choose members based on more than something like that. I'm glad my sorors did

DSTRen13 · #**264** 07-31-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by xo_kathy

Really? A supportive sisterhood, fun, networking (during and post-college), community service opportunities held NO interest for you?

I think it's a little ignorant to think that every Sounthern, beauty pageant-type PNM is only interested in NPC sorority life to get drunk and meet boys.

Jeni never said anything about getting drunk or meeting boys. I think everyone knows you can do that without joining a sorority. That's not the point ... look, I am a Southern white girl. I do "Southern" things, like listen to country music and drink JD and dress kinda preppy. I'm from a "good" area with a "good" family. And yes, I can speak English and I do have proper hygiene, etc., etc.

I didn't even consider going to NPC Rush - didn't interest me at all. When I found out later there were other kinds of sororities, that's when I became interested in joining a sorority. I don't have anything against the NPC groups, but they aren't for me. What I want in a sorority just doesn't line up with that. With OPhiA and with DST, it does. When I first started learning about Delta, it was shocking - it just fit so well with my values. There are different organizations for different people and personalities. No one's insulting anyone else's by choosing a different path - even if it's not the one they "should" have picked.

33girl · #**265** 07-31-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTRen13

Okay, that was uncalled for ...

no actually, it pretty much rocked.

shinerbock · #**266** 07-31-2006, 12:30 PM

Thanks 33, its always good to see the "moderator" condoning classless activity. Can't say I'm surprised....

As to whoever claimed I should be eating crawdads, I'd love to be, but Atlanta isn't really a hotspot for them. Also, my only 2 female cousins are away are Cornell and George Washington, respectively, so they're not really available at the moment. I appreciate your concern about my sex life, but I'm doing fine, no need to worry. As for me being "fratty," I really appreciate that. I'm not quite sure when professional society, dressing like an adult, and traditional values became a bad thing, but no matter, they continue on to your dismay, I'm sure.

As to comments by zchi...I never said girls in MC groups are unattractive, although being honest, many at my school were. You're right, I'm rarely attracted to non-white women, so naturally my perception is different. However, if I were to see a MC group filled with attractive non-white women, I imagine I would notice, beyond my possible personal lack of attraction.

33girl · #**267** 07-31-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Thanks 33, its always good to see the "moderator" condoning classless activity. Can't say I'm surprised.

Hey pot, meet kettle. You're one of the most classless people on this website. And I'm not THE moderator, I'm A moderator.

shinerbock · #**268** 07-31-2006, 12:56 PM

No I'm not. You don't generally see me using profanity or calling people names, nor condoning those who do. I simply say what I believe. I know that honesty is probably quite offensive to your bleeding heart, but I don't see anything wrong with it. I know you probably prefer your little sheltered life as opposed to honest and open debate, but looks like you'll just have to make due.

Way to call me out on the moderator thing. Look out for this one.

33girl · #**269** 07-31-2006, 01:07 PM

Maybe the profanity was out of hand, but the message itself was great.

You have an incredibly low opinion of most of the posters here, and the general vibe here, yet you keep coming back every single day to post. What's your point? Aren't you as cool at fratty as you thought you were?

And it's make DO. DO! DO! DO!! LEARN TO SPELL FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!

shinerbock · #**270** 07-31-2006, 01:12 PM

You are correct, its do. However, I think any attempt you make to question my intelligence is laughable, considering the source. When did I say I had a low opinion of people on here? I have a low opinion of you, but that is simply because you're rude, classless, and afraid of unfamiliar ideas. Other than those things, I don't think I'd have a problem with anyone on here. I simply believe differently, and that bothers insecure people like yourself.