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[macallan25]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Beep! Beep! Beep! I hear the siren of a back peddle. This post is written in the present tense (i.e., "and is now known solely as FIJI.") clearly showing that you were giving information for something that is currently in effect. And by saying "here on campus", you are giving the impression that you knew this for a fact. But, now it could possibly be Texas Tech? What gives?

I don't know what you are talking about nor why you are trying to refute my statement. I said that my friends at Texas Tech knew of the story, it has nothing to do with the chapter at Texas Tech, nor did I say it did. Again, I twice stated that I was unsure of the whole story because there was alot that went into it when I was told. Yes, I do know for a fact that something had happened in the past....and that I would ask my friends for the correct story and report back. As you obviously know absolutely nothing about the matter at hand, why don't you shut the hell up and let me find out for the sake of the discussion. I was merely commenting on a situation that related to the matter of breaking off from nationals.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I don't know what you are talking about nor why you are trying to refute my statement. I said that my friends at Texas Tech knew of the story, it has nothing to do with the chapter at Texas Tech, nor did I say it did. Again, I twice stated that I was unsure of the whole story because there was alot that went into it when I was told. Yes, I do know for a fact that something had happened in the past....and that I would ask my friends for the correct story and report back. As you obviously know absolutely nothing about the matter at hand, why don't you shut the hell up and let me find out for the sake of the discussion. I was merely commenting on a situation that related to the matter of breaking off from nationals.

No,you originally used language that made it clear that the FIJI chapter was now separated from their national. Only after TSteven showed that FIJI is still part of national did you start backtracking and saying that it was something that you "heard". I will concede your point about Texas Tech. When I realized that I misread that section, I went back and edited my post. However, I stand by what I quoted your earlier post. You used present tense language stating that FIJI at UT was separated from their national.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by macallan25

FIJI at Texas has done this. I am not totally sure of the whole story, but something happened with nationals years back and the UT chapter split away and is now known solely as FIJI. They don't use Phi Gam whatsoever and you won't see their letters anywhere. Their dues and insurance did go up significantly which sucks, but they are now considered probobly one of the top FIJI chapters in the country. Their dues are pretty damn high though, almost double what everyone else here on campus is, even the top tier fraternities.

Your original post. Notice the words and phrases: "is now known", "They don't use". All imply current facts.

[Elephant Walk]

How about you stop trying to prove people wrong and deal with what we're talking about?

As rap, jean shorts, liberalism, and so on gain a further foothold into American culture, we will continue to be split further apart. The split will happen. Our chapters are rich, we can afford the extra costs of insurance.

[shinerbock]

If I hadn't had to pay for those national dues, I could have bought that No Limit Soldier gold and diamond tank necklace I wanted. I guess no bling for me.

[Drolefille]

So do it.

Drop those letters you're so ashamed of now, and then try to start a new organization.

Don't keep a hold of things you don't agree with just because the insurance is still to high. If you really believe in this, I don't know why you'd remain with your present organization.

[LaneSig]

Technically, TSteven proved him wrong. And instead of acknowledging his mistake, macallen continued to compound it.

As for discussing it: there's no real discussion. There are no Sigma Chi chapters threatening to break away from Headquarters. If someone comes on here and gives information about my fraternity that I know to be wrong, I will refute it.

[DeltAlum]

If breaking away from a national organization has more upside to a chapter than down...what the heck, they should do it.

They should really go into the process with their eyes wide open -- including the costs (insurance is only a part) and relationships (personal, historical and financial) with their alumni.

Nothing is ever as easy as it seems on the surface though, so I hope a chapter would do a hard study before taking action that could be regretted later.

If there really is benefit, though...why not? Tradition, fraternal oath and brotherhood aside -- which are just some of the reasons that I couldn't even consider it.

[shinerbock]

Well, in actuality, it would be to preserve tradition. We're not the ones moving away from the fraternity's history, thats what HQ is doing.

[Drolefille]

Yes but if you break away from HQ, they're going to be considered the REAL XYZ and you're going to have to change your letters and ritual etc. Those things are copyrighted.

[Elephant Walk]

You're discussing minor details...Sigma Chi Order... that would work, it honestly doesn't matter..

As for discussing it: there's no real discussion. There are no Sigma Chi chapters threatening to break away from Headquarters. If someone comes on here and gives information about my fraternity that I know to be wrong, I will refute it.

I repeat, yes there is. They aren't going to threaten it openly but I have talked to many Sigma Chi's from approximately 4 to 5 major campuses who have discussed a break away. It will not happen soon, but there are definitely chapters that have looked at it. Just because your chapter isn't up to date on the happenings of the bigger, wealthier, traditional chapter doesn't mean it's not happening. And I'm not even a Sigma Chi! I have heard the same rumblings from KA and SAE, but not much from my own Kappa Sig.

These southern breakaways are looking to preserve the fraternity, whereas the National HQ is looking to destroy it. It is only logical to breakaway from the HQ.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Technically, TSteven proved him wrong. And instead of acknowledging his mistake, macallen continued to compound it.

As for discussing it: there's no real discussion. There are no Sigma Chi chapters threatening to break away from Headquarters. If someone comes on here and gives information about my fraternity that I know to be wrong, I will refute it.

As far as I know, neither you nor TSteven is enrolled at nor is involved with a chapter at Texas, why don't you stop being such an unbeliveable faggot and quit your mission to discredit me. He didn't prove me wrong, he posted the link to the University website.....congratulations. As I said again I am not completely sure of the situation, but I do know for a fact that there is something largely different with the way they operate which spurned from a situation a while back. If you want to travel to Austin and find out for yourself than by all means do it. But if you want to argue with me that they don't operate solely as FIJI and don't use the Phi Gam letters whatsoever.....then I can promise you that you are wrong. I f*cking go to school here and live down the street from their damn fraternity house....so please stop.
Sorry that my horrendous use of the wrong tense got your panties in such a wad. Maybe you should go create a grammar forum so that you can write dissertations on every person's post that you think is an abomination of the English language. Sorry, its a message board..lighten up.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I repeat, yes there is. They aren't going to threaten it openly but I have talked to many Sigma Chi's from approximately 4 to 5 major campuses who have discussed a break away. It will not happen soon, but there are definitely chapters that have looked at it. Just because your chapter isn't up to date on the happenings of the bigger, wealthier, traditional chapter doesn't mean it's not happening. And I'm not even a Sigma Chi! I have heard the same rumblings from KA and SAE, but not much from my own Kappa Sig.

I have no doubt that you - and the general you when applicable - may have heard talk about a possible break from/by some people. But again, what you heard: "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

As you noted, you are not a Sig, you are not a KA and you are not an SAE. So why are you so concerned about what is going on in those fraternities' chapters? And on a side note, when in the hell do you find time to have all these discussions with Greeks from other fraternities that are not on your campus? ("I have talked to many Sigma Chis's from approximately 4 to 5 major campuses...") Do you spend time with your own chapter brothers, go on dates, attend football and basketball games? Maybe even go to a mixer now and again. Frankly, you - this collective you - seem to spend way too much time worried about what may or may not happen to groups other than your own. Which just seems down right odd to me. Even as a ninth generation Southerner and an SEC Alum, I just don't understand it.

These southern breakaways are looking to preserve the fraternity, whereas the National HQ is looking to destroy it.

Actually, these so-called "breakaways" are not looking to preserve the fraternity, but members that are looking to preserve a specific chapter as they know it or want it to be. Again, fraternities have been evolving since their founding and will continue to do so. If - *if* - they take a wrong direction, I'm fairly confident that the membership will correct the direction.

It is only logical to breakaway from the HQ.

I do agree. It is logical to breakaway from HQ if that is what a chapter - or some members - want to do. Hell, Sigma Chi got it's start when six of the founders broke with the Miami U. Deke chapter. So by all means, make the break and get on with it. I am sure that Sigma Chi, Kappa Alpha Order and Sigma Alpha Epsilon - and others - will survive and continue to prosper.

[ShaedyKD]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I would put it in the category of "what is destroying our country," right beside Derek Jeter.

You take that back right now. I heart Derek Jeter!

[shinerbock]

My bad. Add ludacris to the list.

On a side note, I talk to people in other chapters from other campuses a lot. Thats what happens in the SEC, when you actually go to away games.