Is Gay marriage necessary today or immoral?

[ClassyLady]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
First I dont flake out on anyting

You and I have discussed our differing opinions many times during the beginning of this thread. And, we had basically agreed to disagree. I had given my point of view, so I stepped away from this discussion because I did not feel that there was anything new left to say. The conversation began to discuss the same points over again. But, PJ did bring up a new point and I have to agree with Sistermadly, because I have yet to read a definitive answer from you on it.

You said that marriage was a institution of God and those that do not respect it as such should not be allowed to partake in it (correct me if I'm wrong because I don't want to put words in your mouth). If that is the case, then should non-Christians be excluded from being "married" as well?

[AXEAM]

I find it funny that much of your European nations are so gun- ho
about all this gay marriage & gay rights crap, it makes me think about the book The Isis papers by Dr.Frances Cress Welsing and some of the theories she raised about (WGS). Her theory helps explain why these European nations would be strong advocates of the gay lifestyle especially helping to spread that lifestyle to non European nations. Just this week the U.N tried to push observing gay parthers down the throat of it's delegates, which many of the non European nations quickly objected to...as they should have.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by ClassyLady


You said that marriage was a institution of God and those that do not respect it as such should not be allowed to partake in it (correct me if I'm wrong because I don't want to put words in your mouth). If that is the case, then should non-Christians be excluded from being "married" as well?

Well I'm glad that you just had to step back into this thread...but before you try to quote me..please quote me correctly....I'm not sure of what you're getting at or even what the relevance is....but maybe you can find a specific quote from me and then pose the question...

To attempt to try to answer you...Non Christians can do whatever they want...so can homosexuals....like I have said about fifty hundred times...God is our judge...not me... It sounds like you all think you're making a good point or as if you have found something to "stump" me or something...but I just don't see that....we're talking about legalizing an alternative lifestyle....legalizing the right for people to marry based on who they are sleeping with..where does being saved or unsaved fit into the legalization argument? If a Non-Christian wants to take vows before God thats up to them...but it doesn't mean anything to him if you're not his child..The question really should be why would unsaved individuals want to enter into an institution ordained by God. Getting married aint gonna get you into heaven

[Love_Spell_6]

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Gay couples began exchanging marriage vows here Monday, marking the first time a state has granted gays and lesbians the right to marry and making the United States one of four countries where homosexuals can legally wed.
Tanya McCloskey, 52, and Marcia Kadish, 56, of Malden went at a breakneck pace to fill out paperwork, get a waiver from the three-day waiting period, then return to city hall — where they got their marriage license and exchanged vows.

Read the rest here:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s/gay_marriage

[rho4life]

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cali_Keisha]

I really don't see what the big deal is, it's just a piece of paper. How I feel about it is they are living like they are married right now and all the need is the paper so why not give it to them. It is not going to effect anyone but them and who is to say that it is not right. Love is love and if they love eackother and that is what they what to do, let them.

[Strive]

May be it is me, but I believe the homosexuals are fighting the wrong people. So what if US Supreme Court accepts gay marriages, that does not mean that the insurance companies, mortgage companies, and other companies will accept them.
All insurance company needs to do is add the words opposite sex to their policy. Or may be they would just increase it for married male homosexual, since they are at a greater risk for AIDS. Or maybe they would increase it for married female homosexuals, since they are more likely to get artifical inseminating. Getting pregnant scientifically, cost a whole lot more than getting pregnant the old fashion way.

Just the way I see things.

[AKA2D '91]

Don't shoot me. I have a question. How does one determine how your last name will read?

Examples:
Jane Deaux and Sally Walker are married.
Will their last name read Deaux-Walker or Walker-Deaux?

Jim Doe and John Foe are married.
How will their last name read? Doe-Foe or Foe-Doe?

How is that determined?

I'm serious! I am really curious. I'm not being funny.

[Love_Spell_6]

AKA2D..I was wondering the same thing LOL

As for my thoughts..it just amazes me how people who call themselves believers can support something in exact contradiction to what God ordained the family to be...but these days...standing up for what God says is radical...so I guess I am a radical. I think this society will get exactly what it deserves for legalizing homosexual marriage...and everything that will come later..i.e. polygamy and marrying anything with a heartbeat. America is at the point that it will accept anything even if it means compromising their beliefs and standards... I dont think most people see the demoralizing effects that this will have on American society in the next generations (because they haven't looked at the research that shows what the legalization of homosexual couples have done to other societies) .. but oh well...

allsmiles22 called me "holier than thou" in another thread..and I suspect this what many of you think of me... and thats fine by me..cause as long as I'm going against the grain (in society) I know I'm on the right track...u can call me... homophobic, a holy rolller, or whatever else..but one thing no one can say that I compromise my beliefs just because "everybody else" decides to go with the flow. Its not about politics, Its not about the homos just want love, ... and its truly sad that people don't see the ramifications of this...

I will have no problem giving my account for my life, my actions, and my beliefs...can you say the same about yours?

[Honeykiss1974]

We as believers need to keep on our elected officials about this. Goodnesss knows mine know my opinion.

Don't get discouraged. We all know who triumphs in the end.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
We as believers need to keep on our elected officials about this. Goodnesss knows mine know my opinion.

Don't get discouraged. We all know who triumphs in the end.

Very true indeed HK74

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by Cali_Keisha
I really don't see what the big deal is, it's just a piece of paper. How I feel about it is they are living like they are married right now and all the need is the paper so why not give it to them. It is not going to effect anyone but them and who is to say that it is not right. Love is love and if they love eackother and that is what they what to do, let them.

If this is deemed legal by the courts, then companies could not discriminate against gay marriages if they cover other opposite sex marriages. This does effect us all, whether you believe morally or spiritually that it is wrong. Health care costs are already sky high and insurance companies will be forced to decided whether to cover all definitions of marriage or no definition of marriage. Either way, we either deal with higher health care costs or reduced benefits.

In addition, this opens the door, in my opinion, to other broader definitions of marriage. Polygamy, incesteous relationships, those between adults and children could all be come legal. I see it as a slippery slope and we have become so desensitized by it all.

How does one determine how your last name will read?

Even with opposite sex marriages it is up to the couple to decide how their name reads. You can even combine the names if you want. For instance, my last name is hypenated and my husband's last name is first and my maiden name is last. Most folks do it the opposite way, but I like the way it sounds that way. The lady at the marriage licence place said that they didn't care WHAT we called ourselves (he could have changed his name too) we just needed to put it on the licence! We could have even combined our last names if we wanted to!

[James]

Don't flame me for being crude but I think the Catcher takes the name of the pitcher so to speak . .

And in female pairing the submissive takes on the name of the Butch one . . . But who knows?

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Don't shoot me. I have a question. How does one determine how your last name will read?

Examples:
Jane Deaux and Sally Walker are married.
Will their last name read Deaux-Walker or Walker-Deaux?

Jim Doe and John Foe are married.
How will their last name read? Doe-Foe or Foe-Doe?

How is that determined?

I'm serious! I am really curious. I'm not being funny.

[Missam05]

Originally posted by Strive
Or may be they would just increase it for married male homosexual, since they are at a greater risk for AIDS.

I just wanted to say that this comment is definetly not true..nowadays everyone is at a greater risk..in fact I think the studies say that homosexuals are more educated on the disease and therefore take more precautions when having sex. The new face of HIV/AIDS is an African-American woman living in the urban/suburban areas..think about it with all the Down Low brothas and females who think they are the only one they make bad decisions and put themselves at risk..but that is another thread I just wanted to share that knowledge..

Also wanted to comment to Love_spell...

When u said

and I suspect this what many of you think of me... and thats fine by me..cause as long as I'm going against the grain (in society) I know I'm on the right track...u can call me... homophobic, a holy rolller, or whatever else..

Think about all the folks that were killed by the flood..wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction..Matt. 7:13
Not everyone followed Jesus...(just affirms that along as ur way is His way then its the RIGHT way)

[rho4life]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Don't shoot me. I have a question. How does one determine how your last name will read?

Examples:
Jane Deaux and Sally Walker are married.
Will their last name read Deaux-Walker or Walker-Deaux?

Jim Doe and John Foe are married.
How will their last name read? Doe-Foe or Foe-Doe?

How is that determined?

I'm serious! I am really curious. I'm not being funny.

The same sex couples I know who've gotten married in the bay area have just each kept their own names. However, that's probably b/c they're all established in their careers. I think it's similar to the way that know married heterosexual women can decide if they would like to change their name to their husbands, or keep their own name.