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02-25-2011, 07:52 PM
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Does a heart beat make any difference?
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People are taken off of life support that keeps them breathing when they have a heart beat but no brain waves and it is not considered "killing" them. So, in my opinion, no, it doesn't.
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02-25-2011, 09:07 PM
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Seriously, the 8mm fetus with a heart beat does not have the same rights as the woman on which it must completely rely. I have my personal opinions about later abortions, but they are my own and apply only to my own decision making process.
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02-26-2011, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel;
Unlike conservatives, we can take the good and disagree with the bad without throwing out the whole person.
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General statement much?
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02-26-2011, 12:54 AM
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General statement much?
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Yes but consider who she's talking to...
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02-26-2011, 09:36 AM
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Yes but consider who she's talking to...
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Exactly, and I was responding to an extremely general statement.
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02-26-2011, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter
Does a heart beat make any difference?
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Viability is all that matters.
Anything else is conflating a notion that cannot be basis of law ("soul" or other imbued characteristic) with psuedoscience and/or poor logic.
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02-26-2011, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Yes but consider who she's talking to...
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel
Exactly, and I was responding to an extremely general statement.
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Fair point.
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And he took a cup of coffee and gave thanks to God for it, saying, 'Each of you drink from it. This is my caffeine, which gives life.'
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02-26-2011, 07:32 PM
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What do we think about post-birth abortions? Say, 6 or 7 years
Liane Cartman: [At the Unplanned Parenthood Clinic] I want to have... an abortion.
Nurse Goodly: Oh, well, we can do that. This must be a very difficult time for you, Mrs...
Liane Cartman: Cartman. Yes, it's such a hard decision but I just don't feel like I can raise a child in this screwy world.
Nurse Goodly: Yes, Ms. Cartman, if you don't feel fit to raise a child, an abortion probably is the answer. Do you know the actual time of conception?
Liane Cartman: About 8 years ago.
Nurse Goodly: [thinking] I see... So the fetus is...
Liane Cartman: 8 years old.
Nurse Goodly: Ms. Cartman, 8 years old is a little late to be considering abortion.
Liane Cartman: Really?
Nurse Goodly: Yes, this is what we would refer to as the 40th trimester.
Liane Cartman: But I just don't think I'm a fit mother.
Nurse Goodly: But we prefer to abort babies a little earlier on. In fact, there's a law against abortions after the 2nd trimester.
Liane Cartman: Well, I think you need to keep your laws off of my body!
Nurse Goodly: Hummm... I'm afraid I can't help you, Ms. Cartman. If you want to change the law, you'll have to speak with your congressman.
Liane Cartman: Well, that's exactly what I intend to do! Good day.
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02-26-2011, 07:38 PM
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Not even worth a response EW. That it's a stupid argument.
However, for everyone else I recommend the book Unwind. It's interesting.
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02-28-2011, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by KSig RC
Viability is all that matters.
Anything else is conflating a notion that cannot be basis of law ("soul" or other imbued characteristic) with psuedoscience and/or poor logic.
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I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong. I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live. Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.
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02-28-2011, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Yes but consider who she's talking to...
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This from the person who picks fights constantly with other posters simply because one does not agree with her/him. 
You are incapable of conversing with someone who disagrees with you.
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02-28-2011, 09:54 AM
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This from the person who picks fights constantly with other posters simply because one does not agree with her/him.
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Oh yes, this wasn't an example of you trying to pick a fight at all. Learn to respond to the issue and you'll get taken more seriously.
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02-28-2011, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter
I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong. I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live. Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.
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This from the person who picks fights constantly with other posters simply because one does not agree with her/him.
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Is this an example of your great capacity of conversing with someone you disagree with? If it is, you FAIL. Calling someone heartless because they see the other side of the issue is pretty low.
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02-28-2011, 10:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwriter
I don't believe I have ever mentioned a soul in any post. I really don't believe I have seen others who have posted about a soul either but I could be wrong. I certainly don't consider a heartbeat to be an "imbued" characteristic as we all generally have to have one in order to live. Maybe those who believe in the importance of a "woman's right to choose" lack a heart but not a heartbeat.
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Once again, insulting those who do not agree with you won't change any minds, nor will it give you an ounce of credibility. So far all you've said is that you believe abortion is wrong and everyone who doesn't is heartless...that's all of your posts in this thread in a nutshell. It confuses me that you can feel so strongly about something and yet make no attempt whatsoever to change any minds and in fact HURT your cause. Do you have anything intelligent or thoughtful to add? It seems you're stuck on repeat.
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02-28-2011, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Oh yes, this wasn't an example of you trying to pick a fight at all. Learn to respond to the issue and you'll get taken more seriously.
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I do believe that you are the one who mentioned that the child was a fetus until it exits the birth canal. If that is your positon then there are no rights confered to a "fetus" and a woman may choose to abort the "fetus" up to the time it exits the womb. This is an issue in which I have responded. Now I may have completely misunderstood one of your previous posts but here it is.
"There's no safe place to draw a line, as long as a fetus is dependent upon the woman's body to live, there is no ethical reason to force her to use her body to support another human life." - DF
If this is truly your position I stand by my statements. If not please feel free to correct me. I can only go by what is written.
Bottomline - I believe the child has a right to life while in the womb and you believe the "fetus" does not. I am sure I will not change your or others minds but so what?
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