Hazing creates a sense of unity

[macallan25]

Originally posted by ilikehazing
Balanced Man and True Gentlemen are the worst programs ever.

I am an SAE and I honestly don't know of very many chapters that really go by the TG Initiative.

[LPIDelta]

Originally posted by bows&toes
are you joking?

No--if someone is going to make blanket statements like that, I think they should back it up with information.

[LPIDelta]

Originally posted by ilikehazing
. It is impossible to have top fraternity at private schools because of several factors.

You do realize that Baylor, one of the "top" schools you listed, is private, right?

[LPIDelta]

Originally posted by macallan25
You are making an argument out of an unknown situation....you can't just say, "oh, well, if a kid dies of heart failure from overexertion then you and all of your brothers are going to be sued and lose all of your money." I assume both of you are talking about law suits. Its really idiotic to even say something like that and not take into account the situation, setting, parents feelings, etc.

Idiotic as you may find it--national officers and volunteers are in the "business" of protecting the organization from liability. They probably aren't going to spend much time trying to justify why something happened, but be more concerned that it did. And counting on grieving parents to care about what action is taken against a chapter is a gamble I wouldn't want to take. In my research, the courts have shown favor toward national organizations that act swiftly in cases involving injury or death, usually closing the chapter so that there is one less entity to sue or find liable.

Its not that you absolutely will get sued--its that it could happen. And that is what national organizations are trying to prevent--so yes, you may find the rules and definitions extreme, but they are in place at the advice of lawyers and others in order to protect our organizations and our members. The additional benefit is that they also encourage our organizations to adopt programs that will help our members and chapters develop.

[bows&toes]

Originally posted by Heather17
You do realize that Baylor, one of the "top" schools you listed, is private, right?

Its a "top school" with a horrible greek system.

[Tom Earp]

Why is Baylor such a poor Greek School.

Seems that they have a lot of GLOs there.

[ICEBATHSAREFUN]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Why is Baylor such a poor Greek School.

Seems that they have a lot of GLOs there.

Baylor has a bad Greek system because the administration at Baylor will not allow there to be a good Greek system. Fraternities get suspended for ridiculous reason that would never happen at other schools. Also Baylor did not have national fraternities until the 70's.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by ICEBATHSAREFUN

Baylor has a bad Greek system because the administration at Baylor will not allow there to be a good Greek system. Fraternities get suspended for ridiculous reason that would never happen at other schools. Also Baylor did not have national fraternities until the 70's.

Details and definitions would be very helpful in your "cause".
General comments as you made say really nothing at all.

[ICEBATHSAREFUN]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Details and definitions would be very helpful in your "cause".
General comments as you made say really nothing at all.

I would think that saying that Baylor did not affiliate with national fraternities until the 1970's would be more than a general comment. There is a freshmen girls dormitory at Baylor Collins Hall. The woman who donated the money to fund the buliding told Baylor she would only donate the money if the University guarenteed her they would never build Greek houses on Baylor's campus. So there are not any houses on Baylor's campus, and never will be. Baylor is an extremley conservative school, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make for a good Greek system.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by macallan25
who gives a flying s**t what an insurance company thinks about a chapter.

You should. That's why your dues are so high -- the large percentage of them go for insurance.

Do the math.

[Tom Earp]

DeltAlum, is that really true?

Well, some get and some dont!

Oh, try laws that make GLO Houses put in Sprinkler systems which will break many Chapters.

Granted, they are needed, but lets take it easy.

That is why it is called Risk Management isnt it? The Risk and Cost.

[bows&toes]

Lots of reasons, one of them being that they dont have houses @ baylor.

[macallan25]

Originally posted by Heather17
You do realize that Baylor, one of the "top" schools you listed, is private, right?

wasn't exlurker the one that posted all of those schools.

[macallan25]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
You should. That's why your dues are so high -- the large percentage of them go for insurance.

Do the math.

I understand that perfectly....allthough I am really not that concerned with dues because I don't pay them personally. I made the comment because I really don't think an insurance company has that much of a bearing on the national reputation of a chapter. Insurance companies are going to do what they want when it comes to the business of them making money.

[macallan25]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Why is Baylor such a poor Greek School.

Seems that they have a lot of GLOs there.

Waco is a horrible town, with horrible athletics, no houses, and the university is ridiculously strict because of its Baptist affiliation.