What do you feel like saying, right now?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

What’d you have on display there for black history month then?

It was a diorama of a lynching.

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

This is a what would y’all do article. Lol.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-b2593494.html

Would y’all wave your parental rights? Would you not wave your parental rights? Would you divorce or stay married? I Lmao when I read this article.

I can’t speak on what’d I’d do if I was her. But I know I wouldn’t be in their situation. I’d agree to adopt.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by Zach

I’d have made it seem like I misunderstood the agreement. I’d have told her I thought you wanted me to hit it in the meantime until we found out the IVF was successful or if it wasn’t, with me tappin it, the chances of us getting a baby would be higher. I’d tell her I thought you knew I was hittin it. I thought that’s what we agreed to.

Lmao! Dude, you’d wake up the next morning with divorce papers on your chest with an excuse like that Lol!

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

It was a diorama of a lynching.

Are you being for real?

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I can’t speak on what’d I’d do if I was her. But I know I wouldn’t be in their situation. I’d agree to adopt.

What’s wrong with a surrogate?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Are you being for real?


What’s wrong with a surrogate?

Yeah, my art was based on a lynching that might or might not have happened. I’m sure you’re aware of the Emmett Till Anti Lynching Bill that was finally passed two years ago? What’s interesting is I got the idea shortly after I was asked to participate, along with other local artists. That was before that bill was put on the table to becoming a reality. When it was on display, it was on display during the same month that bill was passed. It wasn’t signed and put into law until a month later.

I did a lot of research and learned that through and up until 1944, when recorded lynchings first began to decline strongly, Tuskegee recorded 3,417 lynchings of black people — mostly in the south. Not until 1952 did a year pass without a single recorded lynching. Because of that, circa 1952 is the year I chose the story to take place. I wanted to show that what was recorded is a small number compared to the actual number of lynchings that took place. Because I’m an auto designer, and for my love of the automobile, I centered the story around a car of the time period. I had to buy two of the exact same car so the story would make sense.

With the surrogate conversation, I think it can cause too many problems.

[AGDee]

I just got back from a great weekend in Saugatuck. I spent Friday evening in downtown Saugatuck, saw a show at the Saugatuck Center for the Arts, had a great steak dinner at The Butler while sitting on the patio by the water. Saturday, my son and his fiance came out to spend the day with me. We had lunch at the Douglas Barrell, then went to Saugatuck Dunes and hiked to the beach. We stayed at the beach, swam in Lake Michigan, and then hiked back before going back into Saugatuck for dinner. Yesterday, I went to Holland, MI and visited the Holland Windmill Island, another great meal on the water at Boatwerks Waterfront, then went to Holland State Park beach to watch the sunset. It was a great weekend. TKE guy called while I was driving home from the sunset and asked if I would meet him for brunch today, while I was on that side of the state.

We had a nice brunch. I wasn't sure if it was date, but he pulled out my chair for me, held doors for me and picked up the check so I think it was. He still gives the best hugs. He was VERY nervous. Like hands were shaking nervous. I wanted to say "Relax, it's me!" but didn't. I think we'll see each other again.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Yeah, my art was based on a lynching that might or might not have happened. I’m sure you’re aware of the Emmett Till Anti Lynching Bill that was finally passed two years ago? What’s interesting is I got the idea shortly after I was asked to participate, along with other local artists. That was before that bill was put on the table to becoming a reality. When it was on display, it was on display during the same month that bill was passed. It wasn’t signed and put into law until a month later.

I did a lot of research and learned that through and up until 1944, when recorded lynchings first began to decline strongly, Tuskegee recorded 3,417 lynchings of black people — mostly in the south. Not until 1952 did a year pass without a single recorded lynching. Because of that, circa 1952 is the year I chose the story to take place. I wanted to show that what was recorded is a small number compared to the actual number of lynchings that took place. Because I’m an auto designer, and for my love of the automobile, I centered the story around a car of the time period. I had to buy two of the exact same car so the story would make sense.

Wow! I’ll bet that was powerful. What’s the association with the car?

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

With the surrogate conversation, I think it can cause too many problems

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

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Lol what kind of problems do you think they cause?

Originally Posted by AGDee

I just got back from a great weekend in Saugatuck. I spent Friday evening in downtown Saugatuck, saw a show at the Saugatuck Center for the Arts, had a great steak dinner at The Butler while sitting on the patio by the water. Saturday, my son and his fiance came out to spend the day with me. We had lunch at the Douglas Barrell, then went to Saugatuck Dunes and hiked to the beach. We stayed at the beach, swam in Lake Michigan, and then hiked back before going back into Saugatuck for dinner. Yesterday, I went to Holland, MI and visited the Holland Windmill Island, another great meal on the water at Boatwerks Waterfront, then went to Holland State Park beach to watch the sunset. It was a great weekend. TKE guy called while I was driving home from the sunset and asked if I would meet him for brunch today, while I was on that side of the state.

We had a nice brunch. I wasn't sure if it was date, but he pulled out my chair for me, held doors for me and picked up the check so I think it was. He still gives the best hugs. He was VERY nervous. Like hands were shaking nervous. I wanted to say "Relax, it's me!" but didn't. I think we'll see each other again.

Sounds like you kicked it, AGDee.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Wow! I’ll bet that was powerful. What’s the association with the car?


Lol what kind of problems do you think they cause?

😂 @ your post getting mixed in with mine.

Well, the automobile dramatically changed life in the United States, a subject documented extensively in both popular culture and scholarly works of social, economic, and cultural history. Cars altered the physical landscape of the nation and transformed its culture. For African-Americans, mobility was always most highly prized because it was often and had historically been an impossibility.

Also, at one time during the Great Depression and before, GM would not sell a Cadillac to an African-American. So, many who could afford one paid a frontman to do it. Or they’d drive them with a chauffeur’s hat hanging by the window so police officers would think they were driving the Cadillac of a boss or someone they worked for. The fact is that basically, back then, during the Jim Crow south, a Cadillac was an instrument of aggression, a solid and substantial symbol for many African-Americans that he/she “is as good as any white person”, many white people of the period would say, and didn’t like — which could cause mob violence, if in the wrong place at the wrong time in a Cadillac.

That’s pretty much what it was focused on. Yeah, it was powerful. It was the only diorama, which made it the only 3-D piece in the show. It looked like a miniature 1:24 scale spectacle, which is what a lynching was back then… a spectacle.

With a surrogate, I don’t really know man. It just seems like a third wheel that if it was somebody crazy, you could have a problem on your hands. I’m thankful that I don’t know how that would be.

[Phrozen Sands]

Hell yeah, that’s why I hate quoting you when you’ve got two different topics in one post. That [color][I] shit gets confusing in a quote and it either makes my post italic like yours, red, or part of a post is gone with just your username in it. It’s seldom a clean quote. The more I try to fix it, the worse it gets. I’m just going to stop quoting and start responding “@ PB” on your ass Lol.

I wish I could have seen that diorama. Reads like you put some time in it. Dark history but history we all can learn from so it never repeats itself. I didn’t know that about Cadillac.

Lmao @ your surrogate comment. You been watching too many movies.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Hell yeah, that’s why I hate quoting you when you’ve got two different topics in one post. That [color][I] shit gets confusing in a quote and it either makes my post italic like yours, red, or part of a post is gone with just your username in it. It’s seldom a clean quote. The more I try to fix it, the worse it gets. I’m just going to stop quoting and start responding “@ PB” on your ass Lol.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

I wish I could have seen that diorama. Reads like you put some time in it. Dark history but history we all can learn from so it never repeats itself. I didn’t know that about Cadillac.

In many cases, African-Americans weren’t even allowed on the showroom floor. GM felt black folks would undermine its brand. Nicholas Dreystadt, an at the time Cadillac service manager, urged executives to allow black people in the showrooms, arguing that this was a missed opportunity for potential profits. He pressured General Motors to advertise to black consumers, and it worked. By the late 1930s, these marketing efforts had boosted the company’s sales and helped GM recover from the Great Depression, so much so that it named Dreystadt the head of the Cadillac division.

If I lived back then and I had the money to buy maybe a 1957 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham, I’d buy a 1957 Mercedes-Benz 300SL or BMW 507, instead. They can keep a back in the day raggedy Caddy. 😂

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Lmao @ your surrogate comment. You been watching too many movies.

I’m sure there’s some truth in some of those fictional movies.

[Phrozen Sands]

I looked up those other two cars you mentioned. Those are lovely. I’ve never seen neither one of those cars. When I think of a Benz or a BMW, those two cars would never come to my mind. I wouldn’t know what they were in real life, unless I looked at the symbol. I never understood the fascination with hooptie Cadillacs from back then. Don’t understand the envy. I’d have done the same thing you would have done and bought either the BMW or Benz of that same time period. But then that’d really be a death sentence.

We did kind of fuck up Cadillac’s image though with pimp my ride shit Lol. You can add the Italian mafia to that too. They weren’t exempt from being into those old as Cadillacs. They fucked up the image like we did Lol.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

I looked up those other two cars you mentioned. Those are lovely. I’ve never seen neither one of those cars. When I think of a Benz or a BMW, those two cars would never come to my mind. I wouldn’t know what they were in real life, unless I looked at the symbol. I never understood the fascination with hooptie Cadillacs from back then. Don’t understand the envy. I’d have done the same thing you would have done and bought either the BMW or Benz of that same time period. But then that’d really be a death sentence.

We did kind of fuck up Cadillac’s image though with pimp my ride shit Lol. You can add the Italian mafia to that too. They weren’t exempt from being into those old as Cadillacs. They fucked up the image like we did Lol.

Well, although some celebs owned cars like a 507 or 300SL from the time period, back then, most Americans, especially in the Mississippi Delta or in other backwoods southern states, weren’t familiar with European cars, so you’d be safer driving any one of those than you would driving a Cadillac in the south. I agree, I’m not a fan, either. I don’t see anything cool about a back in the day Caddy.

Well, with the whole pimpmobile stereotype, negative popular attitudes about African-Americans driving Cadillacs in the mid-twentieth century are reminiscent of other earlier stereotypes, and I think you know what those stereotypes are. Also, while African-Americans preferred larger cars for practical reasons, the vast majority of black car buyers purchased cars other than Cadillacs, back then.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I just got back from a great weekend in Saugatuck. I spent Friday evening in downtown Saugatuck, saw a show at the Saugatuck Center for the Arts, had a great steak dinner at The Butler while sitting on the patio by the water. Saturday, my son and his fiance came out to spend the day with me. We had lunch at the Douglas Barrell, then went to Saugatuck Dunes and hiked to the beach. We stayed at the beach, swam in Lake Michigan, and then hiked back before going back into Saugatuck for dinner. Yesterday, I went to Holland, MI and visited the Holland Windmill Island, another great meal on the water at Boatwerks Waterfront, then went to Holland State Park beach to watch the sunset. It was a great weekend. TKE guy called while I was driving home from the sunset and asked if I would meet him for brunch today, while I was on that side of the state.

We had a nice brunch. I wasn't sure if it was date, but he pulled out my chair for me, held doors for me and picked up the check so I think it was. He still gives the best hugs. He was VERY nervous. Like hands were shaking nervous. I wanted to say "Relax, it's me!" but didn't. I think we'll see each other again.

Ohhhhh! This is wonderful news!

Sounds like you had so much fun! Are you two going to set up a second date?

So, when you dated him in college, was he the nervous type then, too? I mean, had he always been that way since you’ve known him?

[cheerfulgreek]

WIFLSRN: School just got in session and the school shootings have already started. It’s like it’s a season in itself.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Ohhhhh! This is wonderful news!

Sounds like you had so much fun! Are you two going to set up a second date?

So, when you dated him in college, was he the nervous type then, too? I mean, had he always been that way since you’ve known him?

When we first met, I was 17 and he was 18. He was one of my best friend’s roommates when they were freshman in college. I used to drive to the college with my friend’s girlfriend and we would spend a whole Saturday with them. She and I were seniors in high school. After a few months of that, in February of 1983, a month before I turned 18, he asked me to be his girlfriend. He took me to my prom. I guess I’m saying, when we first met, it wasn’t like a set up or anything. I was his roommate’s friend. There was no nervousness because there were no expectations. It just grew into that.

We live three hours apart but I do think we’ll see each other again. I don’t know how or when though. Probably the next time I go to my son’s for a weekend. We had a nice text conversation today.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

WIFLSRN: School just got in session and the school shootings have already started. It’s like it’s a season in itself.

Where you been? Can’t chat with us no more? It’s like that? Lol

[Phrozen Sands]

I’m hearing the school shooter is named after a gun. Colt Grey. 14 years old. Why don’t they arrest the parents?