MTV and Sororities - Page 16

lifesaver · #1 06-18-2002, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGMA_INSIDER
Lifesaver, do you really want to bring up that whole weak argument that no national org. would have wanted to do the show??? If you're not going to listen to what I've been saying, at least listen to DeltAlum:

Please don't try to turn this into a national vs. local issue.

ummm, thats about what I was saying....being an inter/national group We couldnt do the show even if we had wanted too. We's have lost our charter. So in essence, even if we were dilluded enough to think it was a good idea, WE WOULDNT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO DO IT. Our stuff wouldda been shut down. I am not making a local vs national argument here. that argument has been beat to death elsewhere on this site for at least the TWO YEARS I have been a registered poster. I was just saying that when you are only accountable to the school and yourselvs, there arent as many people who can raise objections and stop your ass from doing something. For us, wed have to get it cleared by about 50 people at our inter/national HQ and then the governing board woul dhave to make a decision on it. If ya dont believe me, I'd gladly drop our Director of Communications a note about it and ask him if we could do it and see what he'd say. I'd bet you your next paycheck what his answer would be.

My main point of my ORIGINAL post was that the editorial author (which, understanding that it was an editorial, and his opinion, which editorials are..) assumed that we'd be pissy about it because we werent chosen. Which to me is a complete fu*king joke. He completely dismissed our concens that this COULD BE another nail in the coffin of public relations, that WE not just the gals at UC Davis have to deal with.

I am not judjing the show yet. I am judging the fu*king fool editorial author who believes this whole uproar is about us not getting chosen. Gimme a break.

maggieaxid · #2 06-19-2002, 08:47 AM

ok, so last night i explained to my friend jim this whole deal bc we had seen the commercial together and he is not greek. all he said was "oh. you mean this is a REAL sorority...i thought MTV was just making these girls up bc they look so rediculous".

so there is a point from a non greek!

SIGMA_INSIDER · #3 06-19-2002, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lifesaver

ummm, thats about what I was saying....being an inter/national group We couldnt do the show even if we had wanted too. We's have lost our charter. So in essence, even if we were dilluded enough to think it was a good idea, WE WOULDNT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO DO IT. Our stuff wouldda been shut down. I am not making a local vs national argument here. that argument has been beat to death elsewhere on this site for at least the TWO YEARS I have been a registered poster. I was just saying that when you are only accountable to the school and yourselvs, there arent as many people who can raise objections and stop your ass from doing something. For us, wed have to get it cleared by about 50 people at our inter/national HQ and then the governing board woul dhave to make a decision on it. If ya dont believe me, I'd gladly drop our Director of Communications a note about it and ask him if we could do it and see what he'd say. I'd bet you your next paycheck what his answer would be.

My main point of my ORIGINAL post was that the editorial author (which, understanding that it was an editorial, and his opinion, which editorials are..) assumed that we'd be pissy about it because we werent chosen. Which to me is a complete fu*king joke. He completely dismissed our concens that this COULD BE another nail in the coffin of public relations, that WE not just the gals at UC Davis have to deal with.

I am not judjing the show yet. I am judging the fu*king fool editorial author who believes this whole uproar is about us not getting chosen. Gimme a break.

Say what you want, but get your facts straight.

That "article" I believe you're referring to was not an editorial, just an online journal that dzrose found and posted up here.
The author is a female.
She wrote the journal in the beginning of February.
This only applied to the initial reaction of some members of sororities at UCDavis, which I witnessed myself.

AePhi6782 · #4 06-19-2002, 03:47 PM

Ok.....im in Ae Phi and honestly....I am absolutely disgusted by the complete disregard these "sigmas" had for us and all other greeks when they decided to go ahead with this.

They are not affiliated with Ae Phi in any way and should not have our good name on their website. Girls...disgrace yourselves if you want...but do not dare bring us down with you! An earlier post said that a DJ on a radio station was using Ae Phi's name in reference to this show and then mocking some of our chapters. We do not deserve this unwanted publicity...and you girls should never have put our name on your website! I suggest you remove it if you dont want further trouble, because when other Ae Phi's see it, all hell will break loose.

Furthermore, you girls even admit you are only recognized as a "group", not a sorority- local or national...so this whole MTV thing is fake. This show is going to have a negative affect on greek life...whether you meant to do it or not...the damage is done....Thanks a lot girls....not only have you managed to humiliate and degrade yourselves on national tv, you have brought other greeks down with you!

33girl · #5 06-19-2002, 04:12 PM

The only mention of A E Phi on Sigma's website is the following:

In the mid 1990's, Alpha Epsilon Phi (AEF), a national Jewish sorority, closed its charter at the University of California at Davis, leaving the Jewish women at this campus without a social organization especially for them. Several attempts were made to found other Jewish women's groups, but unfortunately, none of these groups were successful enough to withstand the test of time.

If that mention disturbed A E Phi's national HQ, they should have contacted the women a long time ago and had them take it off. It doesn't say that they are or ever were affiliated with A E Phi or have any intention of trying to do so.

If DJ's or anyone else can't get their information straight, that isn't Sigma's fault.

UCDBoy · #6 06-19-2002, 04:21 PM

I apologize but anytime I see factually incorrect material, I feel the need to correct it, so here it goes:

As far as I can tell, the only reference "those sigmas" made to AePhi is:

In the mid 1990's, Alpha Epsilon Phi (AEF), a national Jewish sorority, closed its charter at the University of California at Davis, leaving the Jewish women at this campus without a social organization especially for them. Several attempts were made to found other Jewish women's groups, but unfortunately, none of these groups were successful enough to withstand the test of time.

This doesn't really affiliate Sigma with "AEPhi" in any way other than to suggest that with AEPhi's abscence, another Jewish Sorority was needed to fill the void. I think most of the AEPhi chapters are full of mature girls, and thus " hell will not break loose."

And as to the "group" remark, what the Sigma site says is that in its founding year, SAEPi was more of a group then a sorority. However, as it grew, and gained traditions, it became recognized as an Associate Member of the Panhellenic Council(an honor which I think only Sororities and Fraternities are offered.)

If anyone has any questions about the Sigma Sorority, either ask questions to me, Sigma_Insider, or Lioness. Each of us knows a great deal about the sorority. Doing so is a lot easier than spouting hostile (often untrue) rhetoric, that does nothing to unite the greek community.

Zuma · #7 06-19-2002, 04:21 PM

Hi. In your apparent anger, you seem to have jumped to some lofty conclusions.

we never have said we were affeliated with AEPhi in any way, or any other GLO. The farthest we've gone is said that we are good friends of AEPi, which is where the name came from. AEPhi is mentioned in the history to show that there once was a jewish sorority on campus that closed, arrising a demand for a jewish sorority. Thats it. It is not our fault if you hear thru the rumor mill that some idiot DJ cant get his facts right. He probably doesnt even know the difference between Kappa Sigma and Sigma Kappas.

We are a sorority. We are considered an associate member of Panhellenic on our campus.

Im not even going to respond to the angry comments, because frankly, its not worth it.

aephi alum · #8 06-19-2002, 05:41 PM

I've read through Sigma's website, and as a couple of people have already pointed out, the only mention of AEPhi is in their history where it's stated that AEPhi used to have a chapter at UC-Davis that closed. I see nothing wrong with their including that factual statement on their site. The Sigmas certainly aren't trying to represent themselves as AEPhis.

But my sister does have a point. People know AEPhi is historically Jewish. People know Sigma was founded as a Jewish-interest sorority. People know AEPhi used to have a chapter at UC-Davis; someone who attended UC-Davis and has been out a few years may not even know it closed. And the letters are very similar (even though they were not chosen to be similar to AEPhi's letters, but rather to AEPi's). So it would be very easy to confuse the two groups - as that DJ did.

Now add in the fact that MTV is very likely to have done some strategic editing to make the Sigmas look like all they do is party, gossip, and have pillow fights in their underwear, and it's easy to see why this show may reflect negatively on AEPhi in particular, in addition to the greek system as a whole.

Please note that I'm not saying the Sigmas *are* only interested in partying, only that MTV may have tried to *portray* them that way.

LexiKD · #9 06-19-2002, 10:30 PM

Two questions:

#1: Already stated that "sigma" does not haze. What exactly doesn that mean? They do not haze as in animal house hazing or as in nothing would be considered hazing by NPC?

#2: Has anyone seen the new add for the show? It asked a member about housing and if there were any B*tchy members...the title of the add is "a house full of B's!"

Explain again why this wouldn't be bad PR?

Zuma · #10 06-20-2002, 01:06 AM

1) Holding us responsible for people thinking we are AEPhi is as bad as McDonalds having to put caution warnings on coffee cups. I mean, come on, when do people start having to take responsibility for misinterpreting information? If we are going to make generalizations like that, how do you know that people wont mistake us for SDT or another Jewish sorority that we dont even know about. We've done the best to forge our own identity, but we cant be held responsible for other peoples mistakes, can we? We can only be held accountable for our own.

2)We dont haze. Period. We dont know the word. It has no meaning to us. We as a group never do anything to make a sister intentionally feel uncomfortable or overstep boundaries to prove that she belongs. No running around in underwear while I was there! Lets try this: What do you consider hazing, and I'll tell you if we do it.

#11 06-20-2002, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zuma
1) Holding us responsible for people thinking we are AEPhi is as bad as McDonalds having to put caution warnings on coffee cups. I mean, come on, when do people start having to take responsibility for misinterpreting information? If we are going to make generalizations like that, how do you know that people wont mistake us for SDT or another Jewish sorority that we dont even know about. We've done the best to forge our own identity, but we cant be held responsible for other peoples mistakes, can we? We can only be held accountable for our own.

I understand your point, but no one would mistake your group for SDT cuz obviously its letters are not in it. I know its not a majority but many times when a group may separate from a group that it use to be, it will at times keep its same letters but either add or subtract one. For instance at a school I know of their a fraternity use to be a chapter of Sigma Nu. But after disaffilating with them, they are now called Sigma Nu Chi. In seeing your orgs. name its only going to be natural for many people to assume that you are or were in some way associated with AEPi and/or AEPhi which as everyone knows are generalized as being historically Jewish. So I think that many people wouldnt want another group to have letters that are similar to theirs (even though sometimes this may be impossible) and many nationals would want disaffilated chapters to change them after they leave (not saying that SAEPi disaffiliated from any group).

To get to my main point...lets stop the going back and forth. We've got 4 DAYS until the big show airs. Lets watch it, (and I know most of us will, I even had a girl at work come up to me about it and she even thinks it could trouble and she has definately stated that she just couldn't go greek..)and see what happens. We will see whether they do "haze" or not and etc. Zuma I am not saying that your org does, but you are an alum and as many of us know...things change after we go alum. Again, Lets just watch people.

RUgreek · #12 06-20-2002, 01:55 AM

I hazed damnit and I was hazed too, got a problem with that? Good, let's move on. As funny as this thread is getting, I can't believe how long this has gotten BEFORE the first friggin episode. Ladies, please don't take this the wrong way, but you are all freaks

I admit I was posting some comments here too, but I don't think Greekchat has the right to put these girls on trial before they even commit a crime.

Let's just get down to business. Everyone over at UC-Davis, no matter what you say here, you will not get the apporoval of some intense goody-two shoes sorority folks here. To all you uppity-up greekchat members, what exactly is the point of all this arguing and bitching? I just want to know what is it you want to hear from these girls. It seems like the only way to make you happy is if they sit on MTV and don't say a f**king word and don't move! Maybe if they blink the wrong way into the camera you'll attack them for sending a negative blinking stereotype onto the greek community...

I watch Mtv (I love my Mtv), and I'll be interested in checking out this show when it starts if I have the time. If you do something unorthodoxed, good, I won't loose any sleep over it. I hope animal house II comes out soon so everyone here will find something else to be pissed off about.

Now Zuma, as to your Q - I think hazing is burning cigarettes on pledges, circling the fat, locking them in a coffin or small room for extended period of time, forcing them to eat taco bell red hot sauce by the handful, forcing them to drink hard alcohol till they puke, and then force them to drink more for puking, lighting a match and forcing them to say the greek alphabet 5 times before it burns out or burns their fingers, running around naked

(only in our wildest dreams), sending them to a fraternity for sex, and my personal favorite, forcing them to sleep over in the ol' abandoned fraternity house that so conveniently is haunted for the weekend......

So, does Sigma AEPi haze? I hope someone here still has the ability to laugh!

RUgreek

UCDSuperJew · #13 06-20-2002, 05:42 AM

I go to UC Davis. I'm not in any sort of greek comunity (although I do consider myself an "honorary" member of Sigma, seeing as I've dated half of them), but I just wanted to say one thing:

Don't worry about it, ok? No one is going to un-rush your Sorority because some pledge freaks a boy at a bar. No one is going to shut your chapter down because a sister called a pledge a name behind her back. I don't see how this impacts any one other than the 35 or so lovely sisters of Sigma Alpha Epsilon Pi. And let me as you this: If someone did decide not to rush your orginization simply because of a depiction they saw on MTV, would you really want that sort of brainless automaton chillin' with you anyway?

I leave you with the following though:

The great thing about 15 minutes of fame is, it only lasts 15 minutes.

Think about it.

#14 06-20-2002, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RUgreek
I hazed damnit and I was hazed too, got a problem with that? Good, let's move on. As funny as this thread is getting, I can't believe how long this has gotten BEFORE the first friggin episode. Ladies, please don't take this the wrong way, but you are all freaks I admit I was posting some comments here too, but I don't think Greekchat has the right to put these girls on trial before they even commit a crime.

Let's just get down to business. Everyone over at UC-Davis, no matter what you say here, you will not get the apporoval of some intense goody-two shoes sorority folks here. To all you uppity-up greekchat members, what exactly is the point of all this arguing and bitching? I just want to know what is it you want to hear from these girls. It seems like the only way to make you happy is if they sit on MTV and don't say a f**king word and don't move! Maybe if they blink the wrong way into the camera you'll attack them for sending a negative blinking stereotype onto the greek community...

I watch Mtv (I love my Mtv), and I'll be interested in checking out this show when it starts if I have the time. If you do something unorthodoxed, good, I won't loose any sleep over it. I hope animal house II comes out soon so everyone here will find something else to be pissed off about.

Now Zuma, as to your Q - I think hazing is burning cigarettes on pledges, circling the fat, locking them in a coffin or small room for extended period of time, forcing them to eat taco bell red hot sauce by the handful, forcing them to drink hard alcohol till they puke, and then force them to drink more for puking, lighting a match and forcing them to say the greek alphabet 5 times before it burns out or burns their fingers, running around naked (only in our wildest dreams), sending them to a fraternity for sex, and my personal favorite, forcing them to sleep over in the ol' abandoned fraternity house that so conveniently is haunted for the weekend......

So, does Sigma AEPi haze? I hope someone here still has the ability to laugh!

RUgreek

No offense and I understand where your coming from(and I am only writing this because I am bored and had to do the overnight shift at my job..sucks but I got Saturday off

), but when you write stuff like that, it's kind of only adding fuel to the fire. I agree the bashing of them personally and stuff isnt right, but if you think that this wont effect other sororities in any way... your probably 75% wrong. I can see both sides now, but definately do not see anything wrong with other ppl wondering if their org is going to be affected.
And I am just waiting for someone to say something about what you wrote about Hazing.
Also, what's up with all the UC-Davis guys coming to the rescue?

aggiegirl04 · #15 06-20-2002, 08:28 AM

Do you really think that all of your complaining about how bad all of this is going to make you look says good things about the greek system? I can't believe how incredibly immature some of the comments are. If all you are conserned with is PR and how it will have a negative effect on you maybe you should think about why. I'm not in, nor would I ever consider joining any part of the greek system, but I do have friends that are, and the complaining that ive seen here makes me not want any part of the greek system even more. Most people who watch are not part of the greek system, even if they did out some sort of disclaimer as was suggested most viewers would not know or care what was being said.
Yes it is mtv and mtv=drama, why? drama sells... its what people WANT to see. Watch the show before you start to assume how it is going to affect you.
I'm sure I'm inviting lots of negative reactions to these comments, but this is what outsiders about the whole situation, maybe I'm missing something, but I know I don't need to define myself by three or four letters...