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Being a liar doesn't make you a killer.
I agree, it's a pretty dramatic picture he paints there as if someone told him what elements he needed to perfect a defense. That doesn't mean it didn't happen or that the state can prove it didn't happen beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Certainly doesnt, but you know as well as I do that it will effect his credibility.
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06-21-2012, 03:33 PM
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Certainly doesnt, but you know as well as I do that it will effect his credibility.
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He doesn't have to take the stand and I doubt he does. It's going to be the state's job to prove he didn't kill in self-defense. I'm not really sure how they're going to accomplish that.
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06-25-2012, 03:28 PM
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It's funny to go back through this thread and see the people unbelievably manipulated by the media. There's a lot of that in this thread
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06-26-2012, 08:45 AM
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What do ASA or AG stand for?
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Kevin is right. Anyone can and potentially will lie (or conveniently forget details).
Yes, some people who feel strongly and passionately about something and feel as though they are fighting a greater cause will sacrifice themselves to commit perjury. That applies to both the prosecution and the defense. That is why certain laws and legal procedures exist.
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06-26-2012, 05:48 PM
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What do ASA or AG stand for?
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She didn't answer, but I would assume Assistant State's Attorney and (Assistant) Attorney General.
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As far as Zimmerman testifying, there's just no way.
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I would never say "just no way." Best practices should never be confused with possible practices.
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06-26-2012, 05:49 PM
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I would never say "just no way." Best practices should never be confused with possible practices.
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I consider his defense team to have done a fine job to date.
I'd be shocked if they called him.
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06-26-2012, 07:15 PM
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I consider his defense team to have done a fine job to date.
I'd be shocked if they called him.
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Sure, but you being shocked =/= no way it's going to happen, especially since the bottom line is it's his choice, not theirs. I've been suprised enough times at what happened in the cases of very competent counsel that I've learned never to say never.
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Kevin is right. Anyone can and potentially will lie (or conveniently forget details).
Yes, some people who feel strongly and passionately about something and feel as though they are fighting a greater cause will sacrifice themselves to commit perjury. That applies to both the prosecution and the defense. That is why certain laws and legal procedures exist.
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That's why any defense attorney worth his salt will offer up a strong cross examination which will leave the jury wondering who is being truthful here. Certainly no one is going to convict based on the word of a teenage girl whose boyfriend was shot shortly after he hung up the phone with her.
It won't be her word against Zimmerman's because as I mentioned, I would be shocked if Zimmerman testifies.
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I thought it was a rhetorical question.
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06-26-2012, 06:57 PM
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Clearly not.
I stand by my 'ad hominem' attack.
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Well, also, "no way it's going to happen" =/= "almost no way it's going to happen." I may have carelessly stated "no way" once, but I've been pretty consistent otherwise.
I obviously am not claiming to have the power to predict the future. I will say that the odds of Zimmerman testifying are somewhere between slim and none though which is a lot like saying almost no way it's going to happen.
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Well, also, "no way it's going to happen" =/= "almost no way it's going to happen." I may have carelessly stated "no way" once, but I've been pretty consistent otherwise.
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Fair enough.
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There's not enough in the story to really know what kind of a claim it is. It looks like the jurisdictional allegations point to a civil rights action, but I'd like to see how that was plead.
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