What do you feel like saying, right now?

[PGD-GRAD]

In her bio, Ms. Obama said Trump’s constant lies about her husband not being “legitimate” and “not born in America” made life hell for the whole family, especially their girls.
She talked about how difficult it was to be decent to Melania when she hosted the new First Lady after 2016. Melania Trump had also spread the “not a legitimate American” lies.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by PGD-GRAD

In her bio, Ms. Obama said Trump’s constant lies about her husband not being “legitimate” and “not born in America” made life hell for the whole family, especially their girls.
She talked about how difficult it was to be decent to Melania when she hosted the new First Lady after 2016. Melania Trump had also spread the “not a legitimate American” lies.

Ya know, it’s truly baffling how anyone could expect grace and cordiality towards an idiot who spent years pushing racist lies about President Obama’s legitimacy, which absolutely caused stress for their family, especially their daughters. Michelle Obama has always taken the high road, demonstrating a level of class that Trump and his dumbass wife never even aspired to reach.

As for Carter’s funeral, I was frankly unimpressed with Obama playing “buddy— buddy” with Trump in ANY capacity. And then, why was Donald Trump even invited to that funeral in the first place? I’m like…. really? To me, their presence seemed wholly inappropriate, given the damage they’ve done to the dignity of the presidency and the respect they haven’t shown to people like the Carters.

And Melania has absolutely no business talking about anyone’s legitimacy when she herself has been questioned about her own background, like the uncertainty around her immigration history and questionable work visa claims. For someone who seems to have lucked into the position she has, her repeating of baseless, racist conspiracy theories about President Obama is both laughable and absolutely insulting. Honestly, I will NEVER take anything she says seriously when her intellectual contributions appear to stop at plagiarizing Michelle Obama’s speeches. Stupid is as stupid does.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Ya know, it’s truly baffling how anyone could expect grace and cordiality towards an idiot who spent years pushing racist lies about President Obama’s legitimacy, which absolutely caused stress for their family, especially their daughters. Michelle Obama has always taken the high road, demonstrating a level of class that Trump and his dumbass wife never even aspired to reach.
.

That’s kind of hypocritical when you demonstrated a certain level of class by ignoring a person who just happened to vote for Trump, when she was just trying to have light conversation with you. Don’t get me wrong, Trump is an idiot, but at the same time, it’s classless of you to ignore somebody for no reason at all, other than the fact of who they voted for.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Zach

That’s kind of hypocritical when you demonstrated a certain level of class by ignoring a person who just happened to vote for Trump, when she was just trying to have light conversation with you. Don’t get me wrong, Trump is an idiot, but at the same time, it’s classless of you to ignore somebody for no reason at all, other than the fact of who they voted for.

Oh, dear God, the classic false equivalence. First off, voting for Trump isn’t just a casual political preference like picking Coke over Pepsi. It’s a statement. It’s a statement that you’re willing to overlook (or even endorse) racism, misogyny, corruption, and a complete disregard for truth. Ignoring someone who openly supports a moron who tried to undermine democracy isn’t “classless”, it’s a rational boundary.

Besides, let’s not pretend Trump supporters are simply people with differing opinions. Polls and studies consistently show that Donald Trump’s base is fueled by grievances tied to race, gender, and authoritarian leanings, not policies or principles. So no, I don’t feel obligated to entertain light conversation with someone who made that choice. If they’re comfortable supporting bigotry, they can handle being ignored. Period.

And frankly, I couldn’t care less how that makes me look — not in front of filth.

[cheerfulgreek]

WIFLSRN: There’s this documentary on Netflix I’m watching called “Sweet Bobby” and it’s like… omg!

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by Zach

That’s kind of hypocritical when you demonstrated a certain level of class by ignoring a person who just happened to vote for Trump, when she was just trying to have light conversation with you. Don’t get me wrong, Trump is an idiot, but at the same time, it’s classless of you to ignore somebody for no reason at all, other than the fact of who they voted for.

Dude, I’m getting like CG when it comes to those assholes. Unlike her, I wouldn’t ignore them though. I’ve gotten to the point where I’d just tell a Trump supporter not to talk to me. I’d simply say just don’t talk to me. That way they know I’m not interested in anything they have to say. I’d tell them flat out, you don’t like me because I’m black and I don’t like you because you’re a Trump supporter. So we have nothing to talk about. End of story.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Oh, dear God, the classic false equivalence. First off, voting for Trump isn’t just a casual political preference like picking Coke over Pepsi. It’s a statement. It’s a statement that you’re willing to overlook (or even endorse) racism, misogyny, corruption, and a complete disregard for truth. Ignoring someone who openly supports a moron who tried to undermine democracy isn’t “classless”, it’s a rational boundary.

Besides, let’s not pretend Trump supporters are simply people with differing opinions. Polls and studies consistently show that Donald Trump’s base is fueled by grievances tied to race, gender, and authoritarian leanings, not policies or principles. So no, I don’t feel obligated to entertain light conversation with someone who made that choice. If they’re comfortable supporting bigotry, they can handle being ignored. Period.

And frankly, I couldn’t care less how that makes me look — not in front of filth.

I agree wholeheartedly, CG.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

WIFLSRN: There’s this documentary on Netflix I’m watching called “Sweet Bobby” and it’s like… omg!

What’s that about?

[cheerfulgreek]

You’ll have to watch. I don’t want to spoil it. But I would like to read what you think about it.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Damn shame he’s been cheating on his wife that long. She puts up with it though.

I agree, PB. I disagree about the comparison with Trump though. Trump raped a chick. That’s way on a different level from cheating.

I think his wife knew what she was doing and that their marriage is based on other things. It's a partnership for career opportunity, life goals, etc. I don't think she cares and I think they had an understanding about it up front. His mistake was not being discreet enough, which then also humiliates her.

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Well, yeah, rape and infidelity differ in severity, but both reveal a lack of morality, respect, and empathy, and they’re both rooted in selfishness and a disregard for others.

But rape is significantly worse because of the violence involved.

Thanks for the kudos, Phroze. I’m sitting here watching a movie with her now. I showed her your post and she said she agrees and that she’s very lucky and happy, but if she even suspects I’m even thinking about cheating on her, I’d end up in a new fraternity called Delta No Mo’, hanging out with co-founder John Bobbitt, while planning pledge week, ice-pack, relay race pledge activities. 😂

LMAO

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

WIFLSRN: I’m reading that Michelle Obama didn’t show up to President Carter’s funeral because she didn’t want to sit next to Donald Trump.

I don’t blame her. I mean, some things are just too undignified, even for a funeral.

They said during the broadcast she was in Hawaii. I wanted to see her and George Bush being pals.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Ya know, it’s truly baffling how anyone could expect grace and cordiality towards an idiot who spent years pushing racist lies about President Obama’s legitimacy, which absolutely caused stress for their family, especially their daughters. Michelle Obama has always taken the high road, demonstrating a level of class that Trump and his dumbass wife never even aspired to reach.

As for Carter’s funeral, I was frankly unimpressed with Obama playing “buddy— buddy” with Trump in ANY capacity. And then, why was Donald Trump even invited to that funeral in the first place? I’m like…. really? To me, their presence seemed wholly inappropriate, given the damage they’ve done to the dignity of the presidency and the respect they haven’t shown to people like the Carters.

I think Obama is just being who he is, kind and warm to everybody. He knew the eyes of the world were on them at this time and did the right thing- took the high road, as Michelle would say.

I was fascinated by the interaction between Trump and Pence. Pence looked more stony faced than usual and it was SO awkward. But Trump pretty much had to be there. It was a funeral for beloved Georgian and he won Georgia this time around. He didn't look engaged at all.

It's so interesting to see that the Bushes, Obamas and Clintons all get along so well. Trump will never be in that place. Given their ages, it's likely that Biden or Trump will be the next presidential funeral.

[AGDee]

I'm taking TKEGuy to the North American International Auto Show today when he gets here in about 40 minutes. He's a total car geek (could talk with PB for hours, I'm sure). I asked if he used to go when he lived in the Detroit area and he said only once or twice because his family wasn't interested so he never went.

He makes comments like that a lot. I'm not sure if he didn't do things he was interested in on his own because his ex didn't want him going and doing things on his own or if he didn't want to go on his own. But I cannot imagine a life where, if my family didn't want to do something, I couldn't go do it on my own. But maybe that's why I've been single so long? ATLGuy said some similar things before. We were watching some TV series together- we'd start them at the same time and chat during commercials and then discuss after. We'd decide how many shows to watch. He wanted to watch series because his wife will only watch movies, not TV shows. I have like 4 TVs in my house and if my spouse was watching something I didn't watch, I would go to a different room and watch what I wanted.

Am I the oddball here? Maybe this is why I've been single since my divorce in 2000? Am I too unwilling to give up things I like? Will this be a problem for me later?

[aggieAXO]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Oh, dear God, the classic false equivalence. First off, voting for Trump isn’t just a casual political preference like picking Coke over Pepsi. It’s a statement. It’s a statement that you’re willing to overlook (or even endorse) racism, misogyny, corruption, and a complete disregard for truth. Ignoring someone who openly supports a moron who tried to undermine democracy isn’t “classless”, it’s a rational boundary.

Besides, let’s not pretend Trump supporters are simply people with differing opinions. Polls and studies consistently show that Donald Trump’s base is fueled by grievances tied to race, gender, and authoritarian leanings, not policies or principles. So no, I don’t feel obligated to entertain light conversation with someone who made that choice. If they’re comfortable supporting bigotry, they can handle being ignored. Period.

And frankly, I couldn’t care less how that makes me look — not in front of filth.

Exactly! I try to explain to people that this is not just a difference of opinion like I want cheese pizza and you want pepperoni. These people are literally making laws that hurt people I love and also risking women’s lives. I have no desire to interact with a Tdump supporter unless I absolutely have to. F them !

[aggieAXO]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I'm taking TKEGuy to the North American International Auto Show today when he gets here in about 40 minutes. He's a total car geek (could talk with PB for hours, I'm sure). I asked if he used to go when he lived in the Detroit area and he said only once or twice because his family wasn't interested so he never went.

He makes comments like that a lot. I'm not sure if he didn't do things he was interested in on his own because his ex didn't want him going and doing things on his own or if he didn't want to go on his own. But I cannot imagine a life where, if my family didn't want to do something, I couldn't go do it on my own. But maybe that's why I've been single so long? ATLGuy said some similar things before. We were watching some TV series together- we'd start them at the same time and chat during commercials and then discuss after. We'd decide how many shows to watch. He wanted to watch series because his wife will only watch movies, not TV shows. I have like 4 TVs in my house and if my spouse was watching something I didn't watch, I would go to a different room and watch what I wanted.

Am I the oddball here? Maybe this is why I've been single since my divorce in 2000? Am I too unwilling to give up things I like? Will this be a problem for me later?

You should not have to give up anything you love for anyone, if you feel like you do then maybe this is not the right guy for you. I am too f ing old to care what a guy wants and I am sure as hell not giving up anything I like for them.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by AGDee

They said during the broadcast she was in Hawaii. I wanted to see her and George Bush being pals.

Yes. I remember him always giving her candy, lol.

Originally Posted by AGDee

I think Obama is just being who he is, kind and warm to everybody. He knew the eyes of the world were on them at this time and did the right thing- took the high road, as Michelle would say.

I was fascinated by the interaction between Trump and Pence. Pence looked more stony faced than usual and it was SO awkward. But Trump pretty much had to be there. It was a funeral for beloved Georgian and he won Georgia this time around. He didn't look engaged at all.

It's so interesting to see that the Bushes, Obamas and Clintons all get along so well. Trump will never be in that place. Given their ages, it's likely that Biden or Trump will be the next presidential funeral.

Trump shouldn’t have even been invited. I don’t know why people have to be phony like that. Doing so is just saying everything that Donald Trump has said and done is okay. Who invites a convicted felon and a rapist to a presidential funeral? He took an oath and violated it by trying to overthrow an election. But he was still invited to a presidential funeral. That just doesn’t make any sense, to me. 🫤

Originally Posted by AGDee

I'm taking TKEGuy to the North American International Auto Show today when he gets here in about 40 minutes. He's a total car geek (could talk with PB for hours, I'm sure). I asked if he used to go when he lived in the Detroit area and he said only once or twice because his family wasn't interested so he never went.

He makes comments like that a lot. I'm not sure if he didn't do things he was interested in on his own because his ex didn't want him going and doing things on his own or if he didn't want to go on his own. But I cannot imagine a life where, if my family didn't want to do something, I couldn't go do it on my own. But maybe that's why I've been single so long? ATLGuy said some similar things before. We were watching some TV series together- we'd start them at the same time and chat during commercials and then discuss after. We'd decide how many shows to watch. He wanted to watch series because his wife will only watch movies, not TV shows. I have like 4 TVs in my house and if my spouse was watching something I didn't watch, I would go to a different room and watch what I wanted.

Am I the oddball here? Maybe this is why I've been single since my divorce in 2000? Am I too unwilling to give up things I like? Will this be a problem for me later?

Not at all, Dee. Honestly, I think you’re spot on. Knowing what you love and refusing to compromise on it isn’t a flaw, that’s self-awareness and self-respect. And the right person won’t see that as a problem, they’ll celebrate your passions right alongside you. I mean, or at least they should. Being single since 2000 just means you haven’t settled for less than you deserve, and I think that’s something to be proud of. You’re not the oddball at all. IMO, you’re the standard others should strive for.

Have you ever asked TKE Guy about his marriage with his ex, like, why they divorced or why he felt he wasn’t free to do the things he enjoyed?

I hope the two of you enjoyed the auto show, Dee. I remember the Charity Preview I’d go to each year. I had never been to an auto show before that. My date at the time, told me that people in the industry call it the “Auto Prom”. It sure did feel like it. It was SO glamorous and I swear, I felt like Cinderella each year I went.

It was such a magical event, and it was something I began to look forward to. Before that, the only “glamour” I associated with cars was when I finally got the floor mats clean in my own car without finding a random french fry, lol.

Originally Posted by aggieAXO

Exactly! I try to explain to people that this is not just a difference of opinion like I want cheese pizza and you want pepperoni. These people are literally making laws that hurt people I love and also risking women’s lives. I have no desire to interact with a Tdump supporter unless I absolutely have to. F them !

Yep, I couldn’t agree more. Trying to reason or have a conversation with Trump supporters is like arguing with a brick wall that also happens to be on fire. Their ignorance and cruelty go hand in hand, and frankly, I’d rather save my energy for people who actually have a heart and a brain. They are by far the dumbest people I have ever encountered in my entire life.

Originally Posted by aggieAXO

You should not have to give up anything you love for anyone, if you feel like you do then maybe this is not the right guy for you. I am too f ing old to care what a guy wants and I am sure as hell not giving up anything I like for them.

Yep. And my thoughts on that isn’t really directed to anyone, but giving up something you love for someone else is never the answer. Relationships should be about mutual respect and support, not sacrifice at the expense of your own happiness. And honestly, it goes both ways — it’s just as wrong to expect your partner to give up what they’re passionate about. Life’s too short to mold yourself into someone else’s ideal. I dunno, to me, love celebrates who you are, quirks and all, without conditions or compromises on the things that make you, you. Know what I mean?

Like, in my marriage, my husband and I both have our own passions, and neither of us would ever ask the other to give them up. He has his hobbies, and I have mine, and we respect and even encourage each other to pursue what makes us happy. I just think that’s how a partnership should work. I think it’s about lifting each other up, not forcing sacrifices. If someone expects you to give up something you love, that’s such a red flag, and it’s definitely not love.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yes. I remember him always giving her candy, lol.


Trump shouldn’t have even been invited. I don’t know why people have to be phony like that. Doing so is just saying everything that Donald Trump has said and done is okay. Who invites a convicted felon and a rapist to a presidential funeral? He took an oath and violated it by trying to overthrow an election. But he was still invited to a presidential funeral. That just doesn’t make any sense, to me. 🫤


Not at all, Dee. Honestly, I think you’re spot on. Knowing what you love and refusing to compromise on it isn’t a flaw, that’s self-awareness and self-respect. And the right person won’t see that as a problem, they’ll celebrate your passions right alongside you. I mean, or at least they should. Being single since 2000 just means you haven’t settled for less than you deserve, and I think that’s something to be proud of. You’re not the oddball at all. IMO, you’re the standard others should strive for.

Have you ever asked TKE Guy about his marriage with his ex, like, why they divorced or why he felt he wasn’t free to do the things he enjoyed?

I hope the two of you enjoyed the auto show, Dee. I remember the Charity Preview I’d go to each year. I had never been to an auto show before that. My date at the time, told me that people in the industry call it the “Auto Prom”. It sure did feel like it. It was SO glamorous and I swear, I felt like Cinderella each year I went.

It was such a magical event, and it was something I began to look forward to. Before that, the only “glamour” I associated with cars was when I finally got the floor mats clean in my own car without finding a random french fry, lol.


Yep, I couldn’t agree more. Trying to reason or have a conversation with Trump supporters is like arguing with a brick wall that also happens to be on fire. Their ignorance and cruelty go hand in hand, and frankly, I’d rather save my energy for people who actually have a heart and a brain. They are by far the dumbest people I have ever encountered in my entire life.


Yep. And my thoughts on that isn’t really directed to anyone, but giving up something you love for someone else is never the answer. Relationships should be about mutual respect and support, not sacrifice at the expense of your own happiness. And honestly, it goes both ways — it’s just as wrong to expect your partner to give up what they’re passionate about. Life’s too short to mold yourself into someone else’s ideal. I dunno, to me, love celebrates who you are, quirks and all, without conditions or compromises on the things that make you, you. Know what I mean?

Like, in my marriage, my husband and I both have our own passions, and neither of us would ever ask the other to give them up. He has his hobbies, and I have mine, and we respect and even encourage each other to pursue what makes us happy. I just think that’s how a partnership should work. I think it’s about lifting each other up, not forcing sacrifices. If someone expects you to give up something you love, that’s such a red flag, and it’s definitely not love.

I understand what you're saying about Trump but our very sad reality is that he's a former President and our President-elect so he's going to be at these things. I'm surprised he showed up.

TKEGuy and I have had a lot of talks about why past relationships didn't work out and where things went wrong. He's very introspective about these things. We also talk a lot about where we think we will have challenges and how we'll try to overcome them. It's very refreshing to be with someone who is so in touch with his feelings and thoughts.

I'm a person who has gone on vacations myself, gone to the movies by myself and gone to concerts, sports events and theater events by myself. I have no qualms about just going and doing what I want when I want. I know not everybody is comfortable doing that. I think TKEGuy has only done things when he has someone to do them with. We're a little different that way.

[Zach]

Y’all are bringing back bad relationship memories haha. I’ve never liked having “that talk” about challenges. Everybody knows there’s going to be challenges in relationships. They’re unavoidable. Both my ex wives told me I wasn’t present in the marriage. I ignored my first wife because I didn’t know WTF she was talking about. I was young, so my argument was what you mean I’m not present, I’m home? Then when she tried to explain to me what she meant, it went way over my head. I didn’t realize what it was until my second wife told me the same thing.

If two wives were telling me the same thing, then I figured I’m probably really the problem. But what threw me off was that I helped out around our apartment, I gave them both the attention they wanted, but it still wasn’t enough. I realize now, after my divorced, when I’ve dated, I began cutting things off by showing a lack of interest due to avoiding that conversation of the next step. My problem was, I’d really start having strong feelings for women I’d date, and then when the “challenges” conversation would come up, I’d try to ignore it and acknowledge that it really wasn’t much of a challenge just so we could be together, although in my mind, I knew shit was going to hit the fan once we got there.

This is why it’s something I’ll never do again. I don’t even date anymore. I stopped that too. Chick I met at the gym I was hanging out with didn’t really go south, it didn’t go anywhere at all, because I never really initiated anything with her. She’d call me, I’d answer. She’d text me, I’d answer. She told me to let her know when I want to get that cup of coffee, trying to put the ball in my court. I never let her know. I’ve grown to realize that I’m happier single and independent. Women hitting the ball in my court is the same as hitting a tennis ball, but there’s no one on the other side to hit it back.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by Zach

Y’all are bringing back bad relationship memories haha. I’ve never liked having “that talk” about challenges. Everybody knows there’s going to be challenges in relationships. They’re unavoidable. Both my ex wives told me I wasn’t present in the marriage. I ignored my first wife because I didn’t know WTF she was talking about. I was young, so my argument was what you mean I’m not present, I’m home? Then when she tried to explain to me what she meant, it went way over my head. I didn’t realize what it was until my second wife told me the same thing.

If two wives were telling me the same thing, then I figured I’m probably really the problem. But what threw me off was that I helped out around our apartment, I gave them both the attention they wanted, but it still wasn’t enough. I realize now, after my divorced, when I’ve dated, I began cutting things off by showing a lack of interest due to avoiding that conversation of the next step. My problem was, I’d really start having strong feelings for women I’d date, and then when the “challenges” conversation would come up, I’d try to ignore it and acknowledge that it really wasn’t much of a challenge just so we could be together, although in my mind, I knew shit was going to hit the fan once we got there.

This is why it’s something I’ll never do again. I don’t even date anymore. I stopped that too. Chick I met at the gym I was hanging out with didn’t really go south, it didn’t go anywhere at all, because I never really initiated anything with her. She’d call me, I’d answer. She’d text me, I’d answer. She told me to let her know when I want to get that cup of coffee, trying to put the ball in my court. I never let her know. I’ve grown to realize that I’m happier single and independent. Women hitting the ball in my court is the same as hitting a tennis ball, but there’s no one on the other side to hit it back.

LOL! Zach isn’t even dating no more. Wow. Damn, dude. I hear you, but you don’t even want companionship?