Indiana University Recruitment - Page 15

Titchou · #1 12-31-2010, 11:44 AM

The problem is that NPC, and correctly so, pushes the agenda that every group sets their own grade requirements. Therefore, CPH should not effectively stop women from participating in recruitment because they may meet someone's requirement. Now, we know that they most likely won't make the cut but then there are those who are taken as exceptions. So by implementing a grade requirement to participate in recruitment, CPH is effectively overriding the individual groups' autonomy.

So how do you communicate that to a PNM? Frankly, you can't to all of them as some just will think they are the "exceptions." It's a tough tightrope to walk.

AZTheta · #2 12-31-2010, 12:01 PM

ah, thanks - got it. Uh huh. I see. My black and white/analytical thinking doesn't always work well for every situation...appreciate you taking the time to respond and clarify.

AGDee · #3 12-31-2010, 07:20 PM

I think you all are seeing the "bed quota" thing as more strict than it actually is. Chapters at this school are HUGE and they get to set their own quota which is typically, roughly a bed quota. Our house is housing 87 women this year. There are 129 members BEFORE recruitment and the chapter usually sets quota at right around 50. So, if we take our quota, we'll have 179 members. Obviously they are not all living in. Seniors live out and the new members don't live in. You're basically replacing your juniors.

It isn't like this is a school with 19 NPC groups and they keep the chapter sizes down to 50 or something.

It's pretty much impossible to know what quota would be in a traditional quota/Total system. It may not be much different because you will still have women dropping out when they are cut by their most desired chapter or getting cut from all groups.

DeltaBetaBaby · #4 01-01-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

I think you all are seeing the "bed quota" thing as more strict than it actually is. Chapters at this school are HUGE and they get to set their own quota which is typically, roughly a bed quota. Our house is housing 87 women this year. There are 129 members BEFORE recruitment and the chapter usually sets quota at right around 50. So, if we take our quota, we'll have 179 members. Obviously they are not all living in. Seniors live out and the new members don't live in. You're basically replacing your juniors.

It isn't like this is a school with 19 NPC groups and they keep the chapter sizes down to 50 or something.

It's pretty much impossible to know what quota would be in a traditional quota/Total system. It may not be much different because you will still have women dropping out when they are cut by their most desired chapter or getting cut from all groups.

Are the numbers comparable for other chapters?

AGDee · #5 01-02-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Are the numbers comparable for other chapters?

I don't have exact comparative numbers but I believe most of the others are either similar or larger than our chapter.

The most recent number I can find is on the Spring 2009 grade report from the University which says that the average chapter size at that time was 143. It is my understanding that has increased a bit over the past 18 months so that would support that other chapters are of similar sizes.

Titchou · #6 01-02-2011, 07:20 PM

33girl: You've hit the nail on the head and don't realize it. This is a MUTUAL selection process. Just because you want to be an ZZZ doesn't mean that you just simply get to be one. If that's too competitive and offends you, sorry. Each group can only take so many women. There has to be a way to whittle that down. And yes, some get their panties in a wad and quit. But that doesn't mean the system doesn't work. It's about wanting the Greek experience, not just wanting to be an AAA.

33girl · #7 01-02-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

33girl: You've hit the nail on the head and don't realize it. This is a MUTUAL selection process. Just because you want to be an ZZZ doesn't mean that you just simply get to be one. If that's too competitive and offends you, sorry. Each group can only take so many women. There has to be a way to whittle that down. And yes, some get their panties in a wad and quit. But that doesn't mean the system doesn't work. It's about wanting the Greek experience, not just wanting to be an AAA.

No, it doesn't offend me at all. You're totally misinterpreting me. My point is that there are disappointed rushees in EVERY Greek system - even the most noncompetitive. And there are great women who get overlooked or cut for dumb reasons or disinheartened and drop out in EVERY Greek system. The reason I chose the SEC as an example is because when I tell people they can go through a noncompetitive rush and be disappointed...when I tell people I saw it first hand...they often don't believe me.

IU isn't the devil because they want to stick with the system they have and cut many qualified women, any more than Arkansas is the devil because it's very hard for a new chapter to make it there and they have to cut many qualified women. Different strokes for different folks, but from where I sit those are both equally contradictory to NPC's "belief statement" of every woman being able to find her place in a sorority. If there's a situation at a campus that an NPC group (or NPC as a whole) finds contradictory to its mission, or potentially emotionally damaging to its members or potential members, they can pull their chapter(s) out any old time. If a school feels a Greek org's or system's policies are contradictory to its mission or potentially emotionally damaging to its students, they can say "do this or we derecognize you."

If the NPC as a whole and its groups as individuals really think IU's system is that awful, they need to grow a pair and either pull out or pass policies that prevent that sort of system. As carnation has mentioned, Arkansas changed from a bed quota system. I'm betting that the NPC groups and NPC in general lobbied for this change. In other words...they grew a pair.

Titchou · #8 01-02-2011, 10:23 PM

You're right. You are on such a tear that I can't figure out what your stance is. The upperclassmen thing that has no bearing. "Potential" new member isn't plain enough for you. I give up.

DeltaBetaBaby · #9 01-02-2011, 11:03 PM

I think the weird part for me, as an outsider, is the idea that chapter sizes and NM classes would be different from chapter to chapter, but I don't have any numbers that show me how much. Like, are we talking about chapters all between 120 and 150, or are we talking a range from 80 - 200?

The former doesn't sound that weird, the latter does.

I<3Starbucks! · #10 01-04-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I think the weird part for me, as an outsider, is the idea that chapter sizes and NM classes would be different from chapter to chapter, but I don't have any numbers that show me how much. Like, are we talking about chapters all between 120 and 150, or are we talking a range from 80 - 200?

The former doesn't sound that weird, the latter does.

I don't know the exact numbers, but from being an active member at IU, most houses range from 120-180, with a couple of houses falling a few members below the bottom range.

Most pledge classes are from 35-55 NM, again with a couple houses just a few spots less than the lower range.

IUGreekGirl · #11 01-05-2011, 01:32 AM

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Most pledge classes are from 35-55 NM, again with a couple houses just a few spots less than the lower range.

I believe the smallest chapter is Tri-Delta, a full pledge class for them is about 25 women, and that meets their full quota.

IUelle · #12 02-20-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IUGreekGirl

I believe the smallest chapter is Tri-Delta, a full pledge class for them is about 25 women, and that meets their full quota.

No, no, no, I am a Tridelta at IU and this is incorrect. Our pledge classes all vary in size; who knows how they've ended up getting so skewed over the years but we currently have 44 seniors, 27 juniors, 30 sophomores, and 45 freshmen.

Titchou · #13 01-02-2011, 11:11 PM

You said I was totally misinterpreting you. So I agreed that I had no idea what you are ranting about. WTF is right! Outta here on this one....

IUgreekhopeful · #14 01-03-2011, 04:28 AM

So we have to be back at iu in like 3 days is anyone else scared they are going to br that girl who gets 3 invites back for 14 party?

33girl · #15 01-03-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by IUgreekhopeful

So we have to be back at iu in like 3 days is anyone else scared they are going to br that girl who gets 3 invites back for 14 party?

Even if you are "that girl" don't let it get you down. You can only accept one bid in the end.