Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince Discussion - Page 14

ZTABullwinkle · #1 08-15-2005, 12:43 PM

As far as I know the only hocrux found were
1- the slytherin ring
2- the Hufflebuff cup
3- the gryffindor sword (in DD office)
4- Tom Riddle's diary

If I remember right, the ring and diary were destroyed by DD and Harry (respectively). I think it was up to Harry to find the others.

Correct me if I am wrong though!

Lindz928 · #2 08-15-2005, 12:49 PM

I thought DD said that the sword was NOT a horcrux.

Lindz928 · #3 08-15-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by BetteDavisEyes
HORCRUXES

#1 - Lord Voldemort himself
#2 - Nagini the snake
#3 - Marvolo's ring
#4 - Tom Riddle's diary
#5 - Salazar Slytherin's locket
#6 - Helga Hufflepuff's Cup
#7 - Something that belonged to Rowena Ravenclaw (more likely) or Godric Gryffindor (thought I think unlikely b/c the sword is his last remaining item & DD is in possession of it at Hogwarts).

I sincerely hope that Harry isn't a Horxrux b/c I'm a sucker & don't want him to die at the end. I'd like him to end up with Ginny & have loads of kids & teaching DADA at Hogwarts.

Here's an old post I found that listed the horcruxes. I colored the ones that have been destroyed already.

EDIT: I think it might be possible that the snake could be wrong and instead be the 4th school founder's item. But, I agree with her that it is most likely not the sword.

ZTABullwinkle · #4 08-15-2005, 01:01 PM

Anyone know where Nagini the snake is right now????

SmartBlondeGPhB · #5 08-15-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Lindz928
I thought DD said that the sword was NOT a horcrux.

Yes that is what he said.

ISUKappa · #6 08-15-2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by Lindz928
I'm trying to remember. Do we actually KNOW that a horcrux was made with Harry's parents' death? I can't remember J.K. or Dumbledore actually saying that. Anyone remember?

I don't think so. I think LV was probably going to try and use Harry's death to create a horcrux but because he wasn't successful in killing Harry (obviously) he had to resort to killing and using something else, Nagini, maybe.

christiangirl · #7 08-16-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by ISUKappa
I don't think so. I think LV was probably going to try and use Harry's death to create a horcrux but because he wasn't successful in killing Harry (obviously) he had to resort to killing and using something else, Nagini, maybe.

Or maybe he never used something else and keeps trying to kill Harry so that he'll finally have horcrux #7.

You know, here's another wild speculation. What if he made 6 horcruxes, 3 from the hogwarts founders (he couldn't get a gryffindor), the locket, the diary, then himself. He was going to use Harry's death to make the last one. Then, when the killing curse rebounded, he called on one of them to stay alive, so he was back down to 5 again? So, once he had some strength, he killed Frank and with that death, turned Nagini into a hocrux. Now he's up to 6 and once again, he's going after Harry for his final?

Lindz928 · #8 08-16-2005, 05:50 PM

I was under the impression that a person can only ever split their soul into 7 pieces. If I read that right, then it would mean that once one is destroyed, that piece of soul is gone for good. If he could just keep making horcruxes, then he could make a new one every time one was destroyed, and then it would be nearly impossible to get rid of them all.

I think I remember DD saying that it can only be split into 7 pieces. Also, wouldn't that mean that there are 6 horcruxes and then V himself?

ADqtPiMel · #9 08-16-2005, 06:35 PM

I THINK DD said that Voldemort was the first person to split his soul into more than 2 pieces, and that he picked 7 because it was magically significant. I don't think there is a limit on how many can be created.

Lindz928 · #10 08-16-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by ADqtPiMel
I THINK DD said that Voldemort was the first person to split his soul into more than 2 pieces, and that he picked 7 because it was magically significant. I don't think there is a limit on how many can be created.

Ahh. Thanks for the clarification!

Dvyne Evolushun · #11 08-19-2005, 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by CutiePie2000
YAY! I finally finished the book!

Okay, I am in agreement with you that the scar is / may be a horcrux.

Finally finished. This is the first of Rowling's books that I've read. As I've said before, I usually just watch the movies, but now I'll have to go thru my son's collections and read "The Order of the Phoenix" and "Goblet of Fire".

Anyhoo, I think the scar is a horcrux, but that it was unintentional. Remember in - I think "Chamber of Secrets" (the movie

- so be nice if I'm way off....) Dumbledore said that Voldemort placed a part of himself in Harry by accident, which is why the hat keeps trying to get Harry in Slytherin, and Harry can speak Parseltongue...? To me, the question is whether or not Voldemort realizes it. Can a piece of a soul be transferred out of a Horcrux?

I think Dumbledore's death is a smokescreen of some sort. Remember how he was begging Harry in the cave when he was drinking the potion? His actions with Snape was reminiscent of that. I think Snape will turn out to be a good guy in the end and somehow, Dumbledore will return.

Oh well, too bad we'll have to return to this thread in 2 years to see how wrong everyone was....

Until then.... let the cyber betting begin!

Dvyne Evolushun · #12 08-19-2005, 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by MysticCat81

My wild speculation: What if Snape made an Unbreakable Vow to Dumbledore? When Snape said he didn't want "to do this anymore," Dumbledore did remind him that he "promised."

I don't think it's wild. I think he didn't want to play the villian anymore... or decided that he would not kill Dumbledore, but he promised, much like Harry made that promise to him before they went to the cave.

When he kept blocking Harry's jinxs, he seemed more impatient than anything. I wonder what it was with the "coward" comment that made him blow up, though? 2 years....*smh*.... 2years.....

christiangirl · #13 08-19-2005, 05:49 PM

I just can't see Snape turning out to be a good guy. And I can't see him not really wanting to kill Dumbledore. An Unforgiveable Curse is powerful magic, it won't work unless you TRULY want to hurt the other person. I can't see Snape's spell going off without a hitch if he was really on Dumbledore's side.

I am also hoping that there'll be some potion invented next year that'll bring people back from the dead. Then DD can return to the school and Harry can have Sirius and his parents back. A little too hopeful, but I can't help it. I still can't figure out what Luna meant when she was talking about the voices on the other side of the archway/curtain/whatever (that they'd see them again). That makes me certain that if Harry's parents aren't coming back, at Sirius will.

MysticCat · #14 08-22-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by Lindz928
This is EXACTLY why I keep saying that his scar has NOTHING to do with a horcrux!!!

If Harry was a horcrux Voldemort would NOT keep trying to kill him!

I just don't think this Harry/Horcrux idea makes any sense whatsoever. *Personal opinion.*

I agree that HWMNBN certainly wouldn't be trying to kill Harry if he knew that the scar was a Horcrux, assuming it in fact is one. (And I think if it is, it is the scar that is a Horcrux, not Harry himself; thus, Harry wouldn't necessarily have to be killed for the Horcrux to be destroyed.)

But would HWMNBN know? DD speculated that he had planned to use Harry's death to create the last Horcrux, but things didn't go as he planned. It has been made clear that HWMNBN didn't and doesn't understand what happened that night. He didn't understand until quite late in Order of the Phoenix that he had a connection with Harry. He doesn't seem to fully understand that he transferred some of his powers to Harry. We have also been told that HWMNBN doesn't know when a Horcrux has been destroyed, so perhaps he didn't know when one had been inadvertantly created.

If the plan to make a Horcrux went awry so that the scar unintentionally became the last Horcrux, HWMNBN may not realize it.

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Originally posted by christiangirl
I just can't see Snape turning out to be a good guy. And I can't see him not really wanting to kill Dumbledore. An Unforgiveable Curse is powerful magic, it won't work unless you TRULY want to hurt the other person. I can't see Snape's spell going off without a hitch if he was really on Dumbledore's side.

I go back and forth on this one. But something hit me (while starting to re-read the book at the beach last week). I don't recall seeing this discussed anywhere -- if it has been, I apologize.

Knowing that the position really is cursed, why did DD make Snape the DADA teacher? In Book One, Hargrid tells us that "some say the position's cursed." In Book 6, DD basically confirms that, saying that no one has lasted more than a year since he refused the job to HWMNBN. So, when DD gave Snape the DADA post, he had every reason to know that it was just for a year and then Snape would be gone. Somehow that seems to me to play into the idea that Snape was acting on DD's direction.

Lindz928 · #15 08-22-2005, 11:05 AM

Good point. I do agree that DD probably gave Snape the DADA position knowing that it is cursed. I also think that he was probably waiting until the right time to give it to him. It makes me wonder though if Snape knew about this curse (the RUMOR is that it's cursed but DD might not have told him for sure) or if he was led into it unaware. Could be an interesting idea.

I have yet to be convinced about the whole Harry/horcrux thing. I just don't buy the theory at all. I still say that it is not something that could be accidentally done.... Even if he was planning on using Harry for the last horcrux and had everything set up for it, I just don't think that the circumstances would have unintentionally made a horcrux that V doesn't know about. It just seems way too out there.... Even for JKR. I could easily be wrong, but I just don't think I'll be convinced until I actually read it in book 7.