Information on HBGLOs

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by RACooper
Well they aren't "ifs" and "buts" up here.

They are to me, though.

[babe'sbabe]

Originally posted by RACooper
But then wouldn't this hurt the chances of successfully establishing a chapter in a campus/community enviroment were the HGBLO method of information management and recruitment isn't the 'norm' - ie. instead of PNM members approaching the org., the org. has to approach them?

Because of the activity level of BGLOs on the graduate level, a lot of PNMs are exposed to many different organization before even entering college.

To use myself as an example, while in high school I participated in Saturday tutorials and SAT Prep workshops sponsored by the AKA graduate chapter, a cultural awareness/ African American history workshop sponsored by the DST graduate chapter and competed for an academic scholorship offered by the ZPB graduate chapter. Additionally, many of my teachers, advisors and mentors were members of these organizations. So I was exposed to the organizations before college.

Additionally, because of the early exposure to these organizations PNMs for BGLOs (should) already know the proper method of pursuing membership. My guess is that because of the prior knowlege a PNM (probably) has, a BGLO trying establish a chapter on campus whouldn't have many problems attracting members. Matter of fact, the chapter is probably being established through the work of students that already know about the org and want it to be present on the campus.

[Wolfman]

From a different perspective (one who was a part of a group establishing a NPCH chapter on a predominately "white" campus in 1980. Yes, most NPCH groups do not "colonize" in the traditional sense of the term. The growth that has occured mainly in the '70s and '80s came mainly by virtue of the fact that there was a desire of African American students to affiliate with the organizations that they knew because of the aforementioned means--home, family members,school, exposure due to community service,etc. Many of the requests came from previously established local groups or interest groups that wanted to be a part of an NPHC organization. They usually worked though the Greek Life Office, which served as a liason.

There is an persistent concept in the NPHC groups that perspective initiates, as postulants, must come to the organizations. They don't recruit. In a sense this is the case because we are dealing with a "segment market with well-known branding" using marketing terminology, that is, sinse the NPHC groups tend to be stereotyped by the public (this is true, protestations aside!) those who don't know much about the organizations do tend to be attracted because of these purported attributes. Whereas for NIC and NPC member groups, there doesn't seem to be that kind of "branding" and the multitudes of these organizations means that, on one level the rushing approach is necessary. And the economic viability of maintaining chapter houses means that active recruitment is a must. If NPHC groups instituted aggressive housing programs for their undergrad chapters, I do think this more laissez-faire approach would have to be modified.

"The value of out Fraternity is not in numbers but in men, in true brotherhood"--Bro. Walter H. Mazyck, The Oracle, 1925

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by babe'sbabe
Because of the activity level of BGLOs on the graduate level, a lot of PNMs are exposed to many different organization before even entering college.

To use myself as an example, while in high school I participated in Saturday tutorials and SAT Prep workshops sponsored by the AKA graduate chapter, a cultural awareness/ African American history workshop sponsored by the DST graduate chapter and competed for an academic scholorship offered by the ZPB graduate chapter. Additionally, many of my teachers, advisors and mentors were members of these organizations. So I was exposed to the organizations before college.

Additionally, because of the early exposure to these organizations PNMs for BGLOs (should) already know the proper method of pursuing membership. My guess is that because of the prior knowlege a PNM (probably) has, a BGLO trying establish a chapter on campus whouldn't have many problems attracting members. Matter of fact, the chapter is probably being established through the work of students that already know about the org and want it to be present on the campus.

But what if the organization wants to enter a school where NPHCs and BGLOs are not known to the community very well? Canadian schools, for example. Many people don't even know that NICs/NPCs exist on campuses, so why would they know that an NPHC exists?

I would think that not too many members of the black communities in Toronto (for example) know too much about NPHCs because they are immigrants or children of immigrants from countries where GLOs don't exist at all.

[starang21]

Originally posted by RACooper
I can understand the desire to protect esoteric information - but it can be difficult to keep track of what information each org. considers esoteric.

should it matter to you what i deem esoteric? no. it's none of your business.

[Wolfman]

Taualumna-

It's a problem but this rule still holds true: students, alumni/ae become the means whereby this issue is gapped. I do know there is a Afro-Canadian sorority which was founded York Univ. in Toronto in recent years. And back in the early part of the century('20s or so), Omega Psi Phi had a chapter at McGill, where Bro. Dr. Charles Drew, the pioneer of the development of the Blook Bank, went to medical school. And I think Alpha Phi Alpha had a chapter in Toronto.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Wolfman
From a different perspective (one who was a part of a group establishing a NPCH chapter on a predominately "white" campus in 1980. Yes, most NPCH groups do not "colonize" in the traditional sense of the term. The growth that has occured mainly in the '70s and '80s came mainly by virtue of the fact that there was a desire of African American students to affiliate with the organizations that they knew because of the aforementioned means--home, family members,school, exposure due to community service,etc. Many of the requests came from previously established local groups or interest groups that wanted to be a part of an NPHC organization. They usually worked though the Greek Life Office, which served as a liason.

How is this a different perspective, Bruh? Are you talking about period of time? Quite a few of us are from chapters at PWIs that were chartered while we were at the university or shortly prior to our attendance.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by Wolfman
From a different perspective (one who was a part of a group establishing a NPCH chapter on a predominately "white" campus in 1980. Yes, most NPCH groups do not "colonize" in the traditional sense of the term. The growth that has occured mainly in the '70s and '80s came mainly by virtue of the fact that there was a desire of African American students to affiliate with the organizations that they knew because of the aforementioned means--home, family members,school, exposure due to community service,etc. Many of the requests came from previously established local groups or interest groups that wanted to be a part of an NPHC organization. They usually worked though the Greek Life Office, which served as a liason.

There is an persistent concept in the NPHC groups that perspective initiates, as postulants, must come to the organizations. They don't recruit. In a sense this is the case because we are dealing with a "segment market with well-known branding" using marketing terminology, that is, sinse the NPHC groups tend to be stereotyped by the public (this is true, protestations aside!) those who don't know much about the organizations do tend to be attracted because of these purported attributes. Whereas for NIC and NPC member groups, there doesn't seem to be that kind of "branding" and the multitudes of these organizations means that, on one level the rushing approach is necessary. And the economic viability of maintaining chapter houses means that active recruitment is a must. If NPHC groups instituted aggressive housing programs for their undergrad chapters, I do think this more laissez-faire approach would have to be modified.

"The value of out Fraternity is not in numbers but in men, in true brotherhood"--Bro. Walter H. Mazyck, The Oracle, 1925

A very Good explanation of what the situation is!

If some would get off of the High Horse for some people asking questions for knowledge it would be helpful.

Wolfman, It's a problem but this rule still holds true: students, alumni/ae become the means whereby this issue is gapped. I do know there is a Afro-Canadian sorority which was founded York Univ. in Toronto in recent years. And back in the early part of the century('20s or so), Omega Psi Phi had a chapter at McGill, where Bro. Dr. Charles Drew, the pioneer of the development of the Blook Bank, went to medical school. And I think Alpha Phi Alpha had a chapter in Toronto.

starang21, just maybe, some people are trying to find a common ground by which to communicate with?

Knowledge is a usful tool, but some on Site want to show ignorance and desention, so, what does that help?

Getting to know more about each others Organizations is a door that some need to help open.

Sorry, I remember Dr. Kings Speach, and I dont see it from some on Site.

I dont think anyone is asking about what Your Organization does in secret, granted, that is Your Business, and Ours is ours.

Isnt that the way it supposed to be?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Taualumna
But what if the organization wants to enter a school where NPHCs and BGLOs are not known to the community very well? Canadian schools, for example. Many people don't even know that NICs/NPCs exist on campuses, so why would they know that an NPHC exists?

I would think that not too many members of the black communities in Toronto (for example) know too much about NPHCs because they are immigrants or children of immigrants from countries where GLOs don't exist at all.

I don't know where the confusion lies regarding this topic.

For those special circumstances, everyone in question knows the proper protocol. BGLO members are forthcoming with the necessary information and, AGAIN, they will adhere to organizational protocol when they do so. The school gets the necessary information it needs and so does the surrounding community. There are stages within this process but the general point remains the same.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
A very Good explanation of what the situation is!

If some would get off of the High Horse for some people asking questions for knowledge it would be helpful.

Wolfman, It's a problem but this rule still holds true: students, alumni/ae become the means whereby this issue is gapped. I do know there is a Afro-Canadian sorority which was founded York Univ. in Toronto in recent years. And back in the early part of the century('20s or so), Omega Psi Phi had a chapter at McGill, where Bro. Dr. Charles Drew, the pioneer of the development of the Blook Bank, went to medical school. And I think Alpha Phi Alpha had a chapter in Toronto.

starang21, just maybe, some people are trying to find a common ground by which to communicate with?

Knowledge is a usful tool, but some on Site want to show ignorance and desention, so, what does that help?

Getting to know more about each others Organizations is a door that some need to help open.

Sorry, I remember Dr. Kings Speach, and I dont see it from some on Site.

I dont think anyone is asking about what Your Organization does in secret, granted, that is Your Business, and Ours is ours.

Isnt that the way it supposed to be?

Some of you are as dense as the ocean is deep.

[Tom Earp]

Since by your Sig. You are everywhere, then why dont you know about what goes on in other parts of the world of GreekDom?

Do You profess to being omnipent to the world of all that is Social Greek? Oh, All Social Greeks in All Countrys, States or where ever?

I want to learn about All Greek Organizations, dont You? Are You so narrow minded that You dont? Are You and Your Greek Organizaion the only ones in GreekDom?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Since by your Sig. You are everywhere, then why dont you know about what goes on in other parts of the world of GreekDom?

Do You profess to being omnipent to the world of all that is Social Greek? Oh, All Social Greeks in All Countrys, States or where ever?

I want to learn about All Greek Organizations, dont You? Are You so narrow minded that You dont? Are You and Your Greek Organizaion the only ones in GreekDom?

You know the criteria for typing to me, Tom Earp. You generally did well with grammar and spelling, but you still illustrate an unwillingness and inability to understand ALL of what you are reading.

There's plenty of info in this thread (even before Wolfman's post). Those of you who remain confused should read this information and apply its logic, instead of continually going around in circles.

[Tom Earp]

Not sure what to say? You are either to funny or to sad

You do Your Organization a diservice.

You demean anyone who is not Black and not a Member of NHPC. Ignorance seems to be in Your corner. As I said, People ask to gain knowledge, not being harrangued by the like of you.

Maybe I dont type as well as You do, but I dont hold the anomisity toward people that you do. Dr. King would really be proud of You! You dont profess His Ideals as He Did.

I am not sure whether You are To Black/Afro/American or someone who is still in HighSchool?

You are to funny and sad at the same time! Oh, I said that didnt I!

Shame on Me!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Not sure what to say?

Obviously, which is why you stopped making sense right here.

[Tom Earp]

Well, I guess You just show Your Skills and feelings! Oh Yes, You dont do what is professed by Your Organizatin, oh once again.

Making Sense, You least of all make any sense in your attacks against all Greeks who do not agree with Your Dogma.

Give your self a rest as you look like a fool! Reflect on what you post.

You are such fun to play with and You just dont get it do you?

You have a Great Organization if You actualy are a Member of It?

Try to act like it, if You Dont Mind. Have a nice evening.