High school hazing on The Early Show

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by DeltAlum

Are there really enough hours in a school day to take 10 AP classes in one year? Do they take AP electives? AP extracurriculars? Question: If you're deathly sick the day your AP test is given, how do you make it up? I'll bet there will be a way for these girls to take the test and get the credit.

Not a whole lot to do with the point of this thread, but actually, I'm almost positive that it's true that there's only one day a year you can take the AP test in any given subject. There is a two-week period in May where AP tests are given, and each test is given the same day at approximately the same time all across the US (i.e., English lit is Monday morning of Week 1 EVERYWHERE across the country, and if you miss it, you can't make it up on, say, Thursday). The testmakers don't allow makeups because the format of the test is exactly same across the entire United States (how else would they make sure that kids in Florida are learning the exact same information as kids in Washington?), and they don't want somebody to be able to take the test in the morning and then call their friend who goes to a different school and tell her what's on the test so she can study that before taking the test in the afternoon . . . it would screw up the "objectivity" of the test.

Although my general thought is that it's only a freaking test. So what, they'll have to take Intro to Psych at the university next year instead of getting credit for it now? At least it'll be an easy GPA booster. It's not the end of the world.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Not a whole lot to do with the point of this thread, but actually, I'm almost positive that it's true that there's only one day a year you can take the AP test in any given subject. There is a two-week period in May where AP tests are given, and each test is given the same day at approximately the same time all across the US (i.e., English lit is Monday morning of Week 1 EVERYWHERE across the country, and if you miss it, you can't make it up on, say, Thursday). The testmakers don't allow makeups because the format of the test is exactly same across the entire United States (how else would they make sure that kids in Florida are learning the exact same information as kids in Washington?), and they don't want somebody to be able to take the test in the morning and then call their friend who goes to a different school and tell her what's on the test so she can study that before taking the test in the afternoon . . . it would screw up the "objectivity" of the test.

Although my general thought is that it's only a freaking test. So what, they'll have to take Intro to Psych at the university next year instead of getting credit for it now? At least it'll be an easy GPA booster. It's not the end of the world.

It's true that there's only one time on one day - the only way an exception is made is if you are supposed to be taking two at the same time. My junior year my friend had AP Art something and AP US History at the same time, so she got to take the Art one that afternoon.

These girls don't deserve the opportunity to take them at another time. My high school had some screwed up hazing, and yes, I have eaten mud. I then clocked the person who held my head down in the mud. We both got suspended from track for a week. She had a black eye for her senior prom and missed the Sectional meet. I hope she thought it was worth it. I have no sympathy for the seniors who participated in it - it's not that hard to stop a situation like that. I stopped it along with the one other girl who was a freshman in that event. Somebody should have stopped it.

I think all the boys who were there should be suspended too. I know they would have been at my school, and anyone there who was an athlete would have been off the team, that violates the honor code.

[IowaHawkeye]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I'm from a WI high school that could pretty much be GBN. At my HS, once a girl was preggers, she would voluntarily leave school as soon as the bun began rising, or her parents would pull her out in shame. It was VERY frowned upon. This doesn't mean sex wasn't going on - it was protected, or you got an abortion.

Once again with the private school... I agree, at my school it was very frowned upon to be pregnant and still in high school (a CATHOLIC one at that) but my school valued education more than anything and girls were encouraged to continue school until the day they gave birth and then after as well. Not to say that the school supported premarital sex - they absolutely didn't - but education was valued and more important than "saving face" or anything like that.

At my high school graduation we wear pure white formal gowns with white elbow length gloves (its a very beautiful ceremony actually) well girls who had been pregnant or girls who had premarital sex were "supposed" to wear off-white dresses instead. It was on the honor system though - and come on, you'd stick out like a sore thumb so no one did it!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Are there really enough hours in a school day to take 10 AP classes in one year? Do they take AP electives? AP extracurriculars? Question: If you're deathly sick the day your AP test is given, how do you make it up? I'll bet there will be a way for these girls to take the test and get the credit.

Just to answer this:

Yeah, you can take 10 AP exams. Some are classes that are only one semester, some are two exams combined into one class, and some are taken instead of PE or driver's ed.

Also, you CAN make it up if you are deathly sick, but that is considered a damn rare exception, and I don't think the same exception is made for a suspension.

Also, I hope the civil fall-out is awful for these girls and their parents, but if mommy and daddy have deep pockets, will it really matter?

(I especially hope they go after the parents who supplied beer)

[James]

Why? More than anything else?

Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby


(I especially hope they go after the parents who supplied beer)

[James]

DeltaAlum, you don't have to take the class to take the AP test.

The tests are not exactly hard lol . . . so its relatively easy to prep for them and take them.


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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Are there really enough hours in a school day to take 10 AP classes in one year? Do they take AP electives? AP extracurriculars? Question: If you're deathly sick the day your AP test is given, how do you make it up? I'll bet there will be a way for these girls to take the test and get the credit.

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[AXJules]

I don't know how it is at other schools, but I know at GBN you have to take the AP classes to take the test. And from what I heard the tests were pretty hard...I took AP spanish and didn't think it was bad but AP european history??? No thanks!


I just talked to my mom and a couple guys in our neighborhood got suspended too. Looks like they're going after other people besides the girls, which is good.....

[sugar and spice]

At my high school, you didn't have to take the AP classes to take the tests. You DID have to get the signature of a teacher to say that they thought you were prepared to take the test regardless of whether or not you were in an AP class, though.

I took English lit without taking the AP class and I did fine on it. I took an AP psych class where the teacher taught us nothing -- we spent the entire class watching movies like "Girl, Interrupted." I learned everything on my own the weekend before the test and did fine on that one too.

Basically, if you buy the AP prep books that Princeton Review puts out and read them cover to cover, make a few flashcards and study for a week or so, you could pass almost any AP test (except calc or language tests) without taking the related AP classes.

I did take AP calc and AP Spanish classes, but I didn't take the tests. Most schools have their own placement tests for calc and language, so why waste the money on AP tests when you could just take the university test for free?

[James]

I crammed for european history in a couple glorious cofee nights.

Most of the kids took the AP classes to WEIGHT their grades and didn't take the tests .. .

Originally posted by sugar and spice
At my high school, you didn't have to take the AP classes to take the tests. You DID have to get the signature of a teacher to say that they thought you were prepared to take the test regardless of whether or not you were in an AP class, though.

I took English lit without taking the AP class and I did fine on it. I took an AP psych class where the teacher taught us nothing -- we spent the entire class watching movies like "Girl, Interrupted." I learned everything on my own the weekend before the test and did fine on that one too.

Basically, if you buy the AP prep books that Princeton Review puts out and read them cover to cover, make a few flashcards and study for a week or so, you could pass almost any AP test (except calc or language tests) without taking the related AP classes.

I did take AP calc and AP Spanish classes, but I didn't take the tests. Most schools have their own placement tests for calc and language, so why waste the money on AP tests when you could just take the university test for free?

[breathesgelatin]

ok.... now that I've somewhat thoroughly read this... AXJules, when did you graduate from GBN? 'cause you probably know the guy in my class.

[AXJules]

I rocked graduation in 2000.

[breathesgelatin]

Ok, then you definately know him I bet--

Steve Saks. He's a junior, which means he graduated in 2000. He's a FIJI here and he might be a philosophy major... I think he's been in another of my philosophy classes (I'm a major). Could be wrong, though.

[IowaHawkeye]

the latest:

felony charges unlikely

What i especially like:
"Holz's attorneys argue the suspension will force her to miss a study session for an advanced placement test and her senior prom."

Yep - Prom ranks right up there with AP classes in importance

[Munchkin03]

You don't HAVE to take the classes, but since the tests are usually in the same format at the AP exam in May, it's a good idea. You could probably get the same information from a review book. At my high school, you could take the exam w/o the test, but you had to pay the $80 for it--the test was free if you took the class. If you dropped the class after mid-year, you were then responsible for paying that $80.

But, if these kids are going to selective colleges, their AP scores won't matter--especially in certain subjects. I know that my college accepts no AP score other than 5's in the sciences and histories.

[ChiOJenn78]

Originally posted by LXAAlum
[B]Here is the article from CNN today:


NORTHBROOK, Illinois (CNN) -- Principal Michael Riggle said the situation might have turned ugly in part because of the presence of alcohol. Videotape shot before the attacks began shows a number of girls chugging beer directly from keg taps while being held aloft by teenage boys.

Oh man, this pisses me off. I've done keg stands before, I've drank more than my body weight before, and I never never EVER thought it was a good idea to hit someone with a baseball bat, or throw feces at someone-no matter how drunk I was.

This is not -entirely-alcohol's fault. There is something there before the alcohol, that is wrong with you that makes this behavior seem plausible.

I wonder how many defenses will be "I was just drunk, your honor".